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Cainntear
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 Message 9 of 15
23 October 2010 at 11:16am | IP Logged 
Fine, but that's not what you said. You quoted Krashen directly, including the bits specific to his theory.

It's not my fault if you don't say what you mean.
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irrationale
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 Message 10 of 15
23 October 2010 at 11:57am | IP Logged 
It seems pretty commonplace and common sense to me. You do something intensely and you start unconsciously dreaming, replaying it over and over, etc. It happened all the time when I did math research heavily, dreamed about math, etc.

However I do notice that my fluency has begun in a language usually around the time I have my first dream in that language. I don't know if that means anything.
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 Message 11 of 15
23 October 2010 at 2:55pm | IP Logged 
So how to I induce this 'din in the head'? Have any of you guys had this in the language you were learning, and what led up to it?
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 Message 12 of 15
23 October 2010 at 3:14pm | IP Logged 
Cainntear wrote:
Fine, but that's not what you said. You quoted Krashen directly, including the bits specific to his theory.

It's not my fault if you don't say what you mean.


I agree with Krashen and with you. I don't see any huge gap.


tothemax6 wrote:
So how to I induce this 'din in the head'? Have any of you guys had this in the language you were learning, and what led up to it?


Sometimes I think in English involuntarily. Think I am living in Spain and I have never visited any English speaking country.

It usually happens when I am interacting with the English language the whole time. I mean high frequency interaction all day long.




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 Message 13 of 15
23 October 2010 at 3:34pm | IP Logged 
tothemax6 wrote:
So how to I induce this 'din in the head'? Have any of you guys had
this in the language you were learning, and what led up to it?


Here is a simple and effective approach:

Take an assimil course, and read the same single lesson 10 times at spaced intervals
throughout the day, and listen to the audio for that single lessons 30 times
throughout the day: including immediately upon waking, and just before going to sleep.

The second day, review the previous day's lesson a few times, then do as above for a
new lesson.

Within a day or two, your brain will be overflowing with the language and chatting to
itself in random words and phrases when you least expect it.

Edited by Splog on 23 October 2010 at 3:37pm

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 Message 14 of 15
23 October 2010 at 4:31pm | IP Logged 
Splog wrote:
tothemax6 wrote:
So how to I induce this 'din in the head'? Have any of you guys had
this in the language you were learning, and what led up to it?


Here is a simple and effective approach:

Take an assimil course, and read the same single lesson 10 times at spaced intervals
throughout the day, and listen to the audio for that single lessons 30 times
throughout the day: including immediately upon waking, and just before going to sleep.

The second day, review the previous day's lesson a few times, then do as above for a
new lesson.

Within a day or two, your brain will be overflowing with the language and chatting to
itself in random words and phrases when you least expect it.


Good advice; I've found that shadowing Assimil lessons repeatedly also "induces the din", especially on waking and before bed. A. Arguelles mentions the din (not by name) in one of his videos on the shadowing procedure and adds that the involuntary phrases will at times combine and form new sentences and phrases. I've also encountered this with L+R, although it tends to manifest in very short phrases or individual words rather than whole sentences.
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doviende
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 Message 15 of 15
24 October 2010 at 10:38am | IP Logged 
This happens to me even when I don't understand that much. When I spent a lot of time listening to a really fast and complicated chinese news program, and understood almost nothing, I still got the din and heard phrases that I didn't understand. Then later I understood them suddenly.

I'm convinced that achieving this mental state is helpful in the learning process.


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