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noriyuki_nomura Bilingual Octoglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 5150 days ago 304 posts - 465 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Japanese, FrenchC2, GermanC2, ItalianC1, SpanishB2, DutchB1 Studies: TurkishA1, Korean
| Message 9 of 15 09 November 2010 at 4:50pm | IP Logged |
Ah, I didn't know that the Assimil exams are targeted at Spanish speakers to test themselves in other languages (I thought it's for everyone)....but then, language exams should be open for everyone, no? I mean, if a Spanish speaker wants to get himself/herself tested in French language, I would expect the Assimil language exam to be in French, and not in Spanish?
Besides, there're DELF/DALF exams out there recognised by the French Ministry of Education, or German exams from the Goethe Institut, hence, even if Spanish speakers wanna get themselves tested in other languages (especially the major European languages and East Asian languages such as Chinese, Japanese and Korean, which offer already established standardised tests), there're also other tests out there, which are already well established.
But it's indeed interesting to know that Assimil is targeting at Spanish speakers to test themselves in other languages though...:)
JimC wrote:
My understanding is that this is for Spanish speakers to test themselves in other languages, therfore the DELE comparison is not relevent.
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Edited by noriyuki_nomura on 09 November 2010 at 4:55pm
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| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5263 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin
| Message 10 of 15 09 November 2010 at 4:52pm | IP Logged |
Lucas wrote:
Caintear, your theory is a complete nonsense: Chinese is a language like the others and
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Cainntear's theory is not complete nonsense. Catalan is a lot like French and therefore both easier and quicker for a
French speaker to learn than Chinese.
Edited by tractor on 16 November 2010 at 10:50pm
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| JimC Senior Member United Kingdom tinyurl.com/aberdeen Joined 5357 days ago 199 posts - 317 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 11 of 15 09 November 2010 at 5:25pm | IP Logged |
noriyuki_nomura wrote:
Ah, I didn't know that the Assimil exams are targeted at Spanish speakers to test themselves in other languages (I thought it's for everyone)....but then, language exams should be open for everyone, no? I mean, if a Spanish speaker wants to get himself/herself tested in French language, I would expect the Assimil language exam to be in French, and not in Spanish?
Besides, there're DELF/DALF exams out there recognised by the French Ministry of Education, or German exams from the Goethe Institut, hence, even if Spanish speakers wanna get themselves tested in other languages (especially the major European languages and East Asian languages such as Chinese, Japanese and Korean, which offer already established standardised tests), there're also other tests out there, which are already well established.
But it's indeed interesting to know that Assimil is targeting at Spanish speakers to test themselves in other languages though...:)
JimC wrote:
My understanding is that this is for Spanish speakers to test themselves in other languages, therfore the DELE comparison is not relevent.
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Perhaps I have been too literal in my interpretation, but I guessed this on the basis that it is the Assimil Spanish website and in speaks only of the Assimil course with a Spanish base. I'm more than willing to accept I may be wrong though!
Jim
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| noriyuki_nomura Bilingual Octoglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 5150 days ago 304 posts - 465 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Japanese, FrenchC2, GermanC2, ItalianC1, SpanishB2, DutchB1 Studies: TurkishA1, Korean
| Message 12 of 15 09 November 2010 at 6:26pm | IP Logged |
I read it again just now and I would have come to the same conclusion like you if I had read more carefully the first time I read it too, ie. the Assimil exams are targeting at least those people residing in Spain...anyway, it would be interesting to know whether Assimil is really going to conduct the exams :)
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Perhaps I have been too literal in my interpretation, but I guessed this on the basis that it is the Assimil Spanish website and in speaks only of the Assimil course with a Spanish base. I'm more than willing to accept I may be wrong though!
Jim
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| Lucas Pentaglot Groupie Switzerland Joined 4977 days ago 85 posts - 130 votes Speaks: French*, English, German, Italian, Russian Studies: Mandarin
| Message 13 of 15 15 November 2010 at 5:00am | IP Logged |
tractor wrote:
Lucas wrote:
Caintear, your theory is a complete nonsense: Chinese is a language like the others and
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Caintear's theory is not complete nonsense. Catalan is a lot like French and therefore
both easier and quicker for a
French speaker to learn than Chinese. |
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Who said catalan wasn't easier than chinese?
I just wanted to say that it's normal that the assimil for catalan has approximately
the same amount of lessons that the assimil for chinese.
PS: I think that chinese is at least a thousand times harder to learn than catalan for
a french speaker!
:)
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| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5263 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin
| Message 14 of 15 15 November 2010 at 11:56pm | IP Logged |
The courses are supposed to take you to a B2 level in x number of lessons if you follow the basic instructions:
spend half an hour on each lesson during the passive wave and an additional 5-10 minutes during the active wave.
So, if you follow the instructions, you should have spent around 60 to 70 hours in total when completing a course.
If one of the languages is a thousand times harder than the other, how can you reach the same level in that amount
of time? Cainntear's "theory" is not nonsense.
Edited by tractor on 16 November 2010 at 10:50pm
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| michau Tetraglot Groupie Norway lang-8.com/member/49 Joined 6036 days ago 86 posts - 135 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, NorwegianC1, Mandarin Studies: Spanish, Sign Language Studies: Burmese, Toki Pona, Greenlandic
| Message 15 of 15 16 November 2010 at 1:50am | IP Logged |
Lucas wrote:
I just wanted to say that it's normal that the assimil for catalan has approximately
the same amount of lessons that the assimil for chinese.
PS: I think that chinese is at least a thousand times harder to learn than catalan for
a french speaker!
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Some time ago I glanced through the Assimil Chinese book. I'm nowhere near B2 level in Mandarin but everything there seemed easy. After completing it one can get to A1 level, maybe A2, but not further.
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