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slucido
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24 October 2010 at 6:08pm | IP Logged 
This is an old FSI document. I think it can be useful for new people.

Lessons learned from fifty years of theory and practice in government language teaching

Frederick H. Jackson
Foreign Service Institute, U.S. Department of State

Marsha A. Kaplan
Foreign Service Institute, U.S. Department of State

http://www.pseal.org/archives/sla/gurt_1999_07.pdf



Lesson 1. Mature adults can learn a foreign language well enough
through intensive language study to do things in the language (almost) as
well as native speakers.

Lesson 2. “Language-learning aptitude” varies among individuals and
affects their classroom learning success (but at least some aspects of aptitude
can be learned).

Lesson 3. There is no “one right way” to teach (or learn) languages, nor
is there a single “right” syllabus.

Lesson 4. Time on task and the intensity of the learning experience appear
crucial.

* Learning a language also cannot be done in a short time.

* Class size makes a difference.

* Focused practice of some kind, including “drills,” appears necessary for almost
all language learners to develop confidence and automatic language use.

* Immersion experiences, where only the language is used, have great pay-offs
in morale, motivation, perception of skill, and stamina in using the language.

* There is no substitute for simply spending time using the language.

Lesson 5. Learners’ existing knowledge about language affects their
learning. All else being equal, the more that learners already know that they can
use in learning a new language, the faster and better they will learn. The less they
know that they can use, the harder learning will be.

Lesson 6. A learner’s prior experience with learning (languages or other
skills) also affects classroom learning.

* Knowing how to learn a language in a formal setting helps the learner, both cognitively and affectively. In contrast, bilingualism acquired naturally as a child does not, in and of itself, appear to aid in learning a third language in a classroom.

Lesson 7. The importance of “automaticity” in building learner skill and
confidence in speaking and reading a language is more important than has
been recognized by the SLA field over the last two decades.

Lesson 8. Learners may not learn a linguistic form until they are
“ready,” but FSI’s experience indicates that teachers and a well designed
course can help learners become ready earlier.

Lesson 9. A supportive, collaborative, responsive learning environment,
with a rich variety of authentic and teacher-made resources, is very important
in fostering effective learning.

Lesson 10. Conversation, which on the surface appears to be one of the
most basic forms of communication, is actually one of the hardest to master.



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25 October 2010 at 8:47pm | IP Logged 
Thank you, once again, Slucido useful not only to those new to language learning, but also people like me who have been trying for somewhat longer! I think many people on this forum appreciated your efforts to help us all. Thank you!
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27 October 2010 at 1:22am | IP Logged 
I'am the one who appreciate this effort. Thank you for this post.

Edited by mauselmaucs on 27 October 2010 at 1:25am

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01 November 2010 at 4:17pm | IP Logged 
I can't fault any of the analysis. Lesson 10 is especially astute. True conversational grasp is indeed one of the hardest things to master in L2s. Especially if there are several people, the conversation may take off in all kinds of directions, and unless your comprehension is really good, you could easily miss key elements of it.
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22 January 2011 at 5:06pm | IP Logged 
Thanks Slucido.

I agree with William Camden, conversing in a mixed party setting is the most difficult thing to do. Once you have developed a bit of a vocabulary reading isn't very difficult. Having a one on one conversation is a little more difficult but because you can control the topics very managable. Watching TV or listening to the radio are more difficult because you don't know what words will be thown at you but often you know the topic and therefore have a preconceived idea of meanings and direction. Following and participating in a conversation with many people present is most difficult of all because you have little to no control of conversational thread. You can ask one question but the conversation can head West when you wanted to go East.

When I was learning German I could have a rough basic conversation after three months or so but it took me a good two years before I could follow the ebbs and flows a group converstions. I don't know if this is normal, perhaps I'm just slow.
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22 January 2011 at 6:03pm | IP Logged 
You are welcome.

I think the most difficult skill is understanding a group of native speakers talking quickly. More difficult if you want to participate.

Solutions?

Edited by slucido on 22 January 2011 at 6:04pm

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22 January 2011 at 6:05pm | IP Logged 
I find this particularly apropos:

FSI wrote:
Lesson 4. Time on task and the intensity of the learning experience appear crucial....

Learning a language also cannot be done in a short time....

The time necessary for a beginning learner to develop professional proficiency in each language— proven again and again over a half century of language teaching—cannot
be shortened appreciably. FSI has tried to shorten programs, and it has not worked
(see also lesson 5).

There is no substitute for simply spending time using the language. Segalowitz
and his colleagues have pointed out how crucial to reading ability is the
simple fact of doing a lot of reading (e.g., Favreau and Segalowitz 1982). Our experience at FSI indicates unequivocally that the amount of time spent in reading,
listening to, and interacting in the language has a close relationship to the
learner’s ability to use that language professionally.

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22 January 2011 at 9:31pm | IP Logged 
slucido wrote:

I think the most difficult skill is understanding a group of native speakers talking quickly. More difficult if you want to participate.

Solutions?


Practice. Probably the only way is in the country where the language is spoken as the mother tongue.


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