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balessi Newbie Brazil Joined 4898 days ago 8 posts - 14 votes Speaks: Portuguese* Studies: Mandarin, Sanskrit, Ancient Greek, German
| Message 9 of 14 22 December 2010 at 12:41am | IP Logged |
Pleiades wrote:
The Indian languages of North America are wonderfully complex. The morpheme-word ratio is staggering and one 'word' is normally more akin to a sentence by Indo-European standards. I can't comprehend how one could possibly speak an agglutinative language with fluency considering the thought process required to construct even the simplest of sentences. |
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could you write one example? I mean, the language name or family
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| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5733 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish
| Message 10 of 14 22 December 2010 at 10:04am | IP Logged |
I can give you some language names to look for: Lushootseed, Cherokee, Inuktitut, and Navajo.
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| Ubique1914 Triglot Newbie England Joined 5070 days ago 3 posts - 3 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Portuguese, Mongolian
| Message 11 of 14 29 December 2010 at 12:11am | IP Logged |
I agree with the Native American language suggestions, as many use rather complex
diacritics that are hardly used elsewhere.
In terms of appearance something like Armenian or Georgian looks rather odd to me due to
the scripts, along with the Amharic script.
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| FuroraCeltica Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6674 days ago 1187 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French
| Message 12 of 14 29 December 2010 at 12:45am | IP Logged |
I always found Navajo unusual, as well as Georgian
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| Guido Super Polyglot Senior Member ArgentinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6337 days ago 286 posts - 582 votes Speaks: Spanish*, French, English, German, Italian, Portuguese, Norwegian, Catalan, Dutch, Swedish, Danish Studies: Russian, Indonesian, Romanian, Polish, Icelandic
| Message 13 of 14 29 December 2010 at 9:06am | IP Logged |
Mapundungu is an isolated languages of the Araucanian family.
The most complicated grammar point: Verbs. I quote from Wikipedia
"Verbs can be finite or non-finite (non-finite endings: -n, -el, -etew, -lu, -am, etc.), are intransitive or
transitive and are conjugated according to person (first, second and third), number (singular, dual and plural), voice
(active, agentless passive and reflexive-reciprocal, plus two applicatives) and mood (indicative, imperative and
subjunctive). In the indicative, the present (zero) and future (-(y)a) tenses are distinguished. There are a number of
aspects: the progressive, resultative and habitual are well established; some forms that seem to mark some subtype of
perfect are also found. Other verb morphology includes an evidential marker (reportative-mirative), directionals
(cislocative, translocative, andative and ambulative, plus an interruptive and continuous action marker) and modal
markers (sudden action, faked action, immediate action, etc.). There is productive noun incorporation, and the
case can be made for root compounding morphology."
Here are some audio and written examples.
Guido.-
Edited by Guido on 29 December 2010 at 9:11am
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| Pleiades Diglot Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4905 days ago 10 posts - 15 votes Speaks: English*, Welsh
| Message 14 of 14 30 December 2010 at 12:53am | IP Logged |
balessi wrote:
Pleiades wrote:
The Indian languages of North America are wonderfully complex. The morpheme-word ratio is staggering and one 'word' is normally more akin to a sentence by Indo-European standards. I can't comprehend how one could possibly speak an agglutinative language with fluency considering the thought process required to construct even the simplest of sentences. |
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could you write one example? I mean, the language name or family |
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The Ojibwe language of the Algonquian family is a good example, coffee is makade-mashkikiwaaboo! As you can see, even simple nouns are constructed from many complexly ordered units.
With regards to verb conjugation, 'to speak badly' in Greenlandic is oqaatiginerluppaa , and that's relatively tame as they go. In Chukchi, 'I have a headache' is Temeyngelevtpeγterken. I suspect that this is a commonly uttered phrase given the complexity of the language.
But the best example has to be Aliikusersuillammassuaanerartassagaluarpaalli, meaning 'However, they will say that he is a great entertainer, but ...' in Western Greenlandic. I've come across better examples but these are the only ones I can find right now
Edited by Pleiades on 30 December 2010 at 1:05am
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