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Cesare M
Decaglot
Newbie
Canada
youtube.com/user/CheRegistered users can see my Skype Name
Joined 4870 days ago
18 posts - 29 votes
Speaks: English*, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Afrikaans, Arabic (Egyptian), Albanian, Azerbaijani, Cherokee, Croatian, Catalan

Message 9 of 20

20 December 2010 at 11:17pm | IP Logged

translator2 wrote:

Sorry about your name - that was a typo - I corrected it.

The point is that if you slow down and try to learn one language at a time and spend more than a week learning a language, you might just learn something you did not know and you might (who knows?) decide to change your definition of fluency.

Like I said before, if you would just remove the word "fluent" from your channel (even if you are based on your definition) and just said "Here is a list of the languages I have studied/languages I am studying" you really would find people to be much more supportive of you and you would have a much better time.

Yes but I have logically thought ahead on these things. Which is why I mention "fluent". Anyways here's what I will do. From now on, in this forum, I will post only in Ukrainian, make videos on YouTube only in Ukrainian, and etc. only in Ukrainian, not English. Does that sound good?
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Arekkusu
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Joined 5163 days ago
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Speaks: English, French*, German^C1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto
Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian

Message 10 of 20

20 December 2010 at 11:36pm | IP Logged

A 2-month test is a huge investment, not to mention that it would do nothing to prove his claims. Testing
the languages Cesare already speaks would prove much simpler. We could use an A1 to C2 scale, which
would prove to be much more useful than the term fluent.
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michau
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Norway
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Joined 6008 days ago
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Speaks: Polish*, English, Norwegian^C1, Mandarin
Studies: Spanish, Sign Language
Studies: Burmese, Toki Pona, Greenlandic

Message 11 of 20

21 December 2010 at 12:14am | IP Logged

Cesare M wrote:

I have knowledge in 50 languages, but so far, I am fluent in 13:
(...)
*Polish (reading and writing)

No, you are not.

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Message 12 of 20

21 December 2010 at 12:25am | IP Logged

michau wrote:

Cesare M wrote:

I have knowledge in 50 languages, but so far, I am fluent in 13:
(...)
*Polish (reading and writing)

No, you are not.

Thanks. I updated my first post.

Edited by Cesare M on 21 December 2010 at 12:28am
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michau
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Norway
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Speaks: Polish*, English, Norwegian^C1, Mandarin
Studies: Spanish, Sign Language
Studies: Burmese, Toki Pona, Greenlandic

Message 13 of 20

21 December 2010 at 12:34am | IP Logged

Cesare M wrote:

michau wrote:

Cesare M wrote:

I have knowledge in 50 languages, but so far, I am fluent in 13:
(...)
*Polish (reading and writing)

No, you are not.

Thanks. I updated my first post.

You wrote:

Cesare M wrote:

The languages that I claim I am fluent in were also claimed and opinionated fluency by a large number of natives of these languages, which makes me fluent in those languages.

Since a large number of natives have told you that you are fluent in written Polish, how come you change your description after just one native speaker's opinion?
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translator2
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Message 14 of 20

21 December 2010 at 12:53am | IP Logged

So if a large number of people tell you that you are fluent = you are fluent.
But, if another large number of people tell you that you are not fluent = they are wrong.

Cesare M wrote:

The languages that I claim I am fluent in were also claimed and opinionated fluency by a large number of natives of these languages, which makes me fluent in those languages.

Edited by translator2 on 21 December 2010 at 12:54am
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21 December 2010 at 2:45am | IP Logged

michau wrote:

Cesare M wrote:

michau wrote:

Cesare M wrote:

I have knowledge in 50
languages, but so far, I am fluent in 13:
(...)
*Polish (reading and writing)

No, you are not.

Thanks. I updated my first post.

You wrote:

Cesare M wrote:

The languages that I claim I am fluent in were also claimed and opinionated
fluency by a large number of natives of these languages, which makes me fluent in those
languages.

Since a large number of natives have told you that you are fluent in written Polish, how come you change
your description after just one native speaker's opinion?

Sorry about that.

Edited by Cesare M on 21 December 2010 at 2:46am
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21 December 2010 at 2:48am | IP Logged

Cesare M wrote:

Hey guys I am back. I want to say a lot of things. This is my new account on this
forum, and I promise the
following:

- I will not hurt anyone's feelings and say rude things to anybody
- I will not act so defensive anymore
- I will talk about my language abilities in a more nicer, calmer, and honest way

I read somewhere recently that I am "history" on this forum, because of my language claims. Now,
adressing my language claims, this is an update:

I have knowledge in 50 languages, but so far, I am fluent in 13:

Bulgarian
Bosnian
Urdu
Ukrainian
Arabic (pronounciation to some extent)
Thai(just need improvement on tones)
Russian
Kyrgyz
Hindi
Kazakh
Kurdish
Tatar
Afrikaans

Polish (reading and writing)

Languages I need good improvement on:

Persian (Farsi)(grammar)
Macedonian
German (pronounciation especially)
Georgian (more knowledge)
Indonesian
Turkish (pronounciation and grammar)
Polish (pronunciation and spoken grammar)
Estonian (more knowledge)
Italian
French
Spanish (grammar)
Galician
Malay
Albanian (pronounciation)
Tajik
Serbian (grammar)
Croatian (grammar)
Dari
Azerbaijani
Danish (pronounciation)
Latin (pronounciation and grammar at some points)
Polish (pronounciation and grammar at some points)
Czech (pronounciation)

Languages that I am conversational in:

Portuguese
Galician
Romanian
Albanian
Serbian
Croatian
Danish
Greek
Pashto
Czech
Somali
Osseitan
Hausa
Malagasy (Basic)
Cherokee
Swahili (Basic)

Languages I am planning on learning:

Shona (have very basic knowledge as of now)
Mongolian (have very basic knowledge as of now)
Uzbek
Uyghur
Welsh
Yoruba
Zulu
Xhosa
Igbo
Luganda
Burmese
Navajo

*The languages that I claim I am fluent in were also claimed and opinionated fluency by a large number of
natives of these languages, which makes me fluent in those languages. Also once I am fluent in a language,
I will update this description.

Update:

I learned basic conversational Swahili from Pimsleur! :)

Disclaimers:

- My German pronounciation sucks
- I need improvement on my pronounciation in Polish, Czech, and a few other languages
- My claims may be very very hard to believe but they are true
- The only thing I need improvement on in Thai is tones, in which I am working on
- My past videos on YouTube in some of my "fluent" languages had poor pronunciation, so please ignore
them. The only new video of me speaking Arabic is my "41 Language Video"

Also I will try my hardest to not sound boastfull. I know that my language claims are very hard to believe.
From reading this, you are probably thinking that "this guy is crazy", "yeah right", or "that's bull***", but it's
true, and I am trying my hardest to be as honest as I can ever be. I know I have made other outrageous
claims in the past but the last claim I made was honest too, but I sounded boastful, and the "39 languages
claim" was not true at all, because I know better now than to claim fluency in all my languages. Some
things are extremely difficult to believe but they are true, but I guess from my experiences, it's how you
present them. I, myself, became popular for seeming boastful and mean on this forum, and I am going to
try my hardest to change that. I am not a slacker (just to throw that in there :D). Also if anybody doesn't
believe through a lot of proof that I am not fluent in those 13 languages, that's fine as they might have a
different definition than I do.

Anyways sorry to those that I have upsetted, and I am going to make other posts, and I will try my hardest
to change the way I post things. I know I may still be known as "the 9 year old guy in a grown man's body",
"stubborn" or whatever. I hope everyone forgives me, because I believe that there is still hope no matter
what.

*I don't want anybody closing this thread because this will be the only thread I post about my fluency claims
and what not.

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