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| Frieza Triglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 5279 days ago 102 posts - 137 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishC2, French Studies: German | Message 17 of 40 30 May 2011 at 4:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'd say B1, I recently took a German test at that level and scored 82%. B2 I honestly don't think so.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to follow Assimil properly, as I had to take IELTS and so decided to put Assimil on standby for about one month after I had just started the 2nd wave. Sadly after having resumed Assimil, I feel like something was lost. But I still feel B1 is a safer bet than B2. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| guitarob Hexaglot Groupie CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5013 days ago 95 posts - 138 votes Speaks: Spanish*, French, English, Danish, Portuguese, Italian Studies: German | Message 18 of 40 02 August 2011 at 9:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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As promised I am here 80 days later (Or 80 productive days later to be more precise) to give you my final verdict on Assimil(if you do not understand the 80 days reference please read my previous post on this thread).
I can say that these past 80 days have had an effect on my danish. I have collected data from my log and will try to present it as good as possible here. My post-assimil studies have been based in 3 main categories. I used a column/podcast named Kanten, audiobooks in danish from H C Andersen and news articles without audio. I use them similarly to the way I used Assimil and took note of the words I didn't know in each article or chapter. The results were as following: Kanten Column/Podcast Unknown words on the first 4 weeks after finishing Assimil: 8.12% Unknown words on the last 4 weeks: 4.98% That means that right know I understand approximately 95% of the words in a column like text. News Articles Unknown words on the first 4 weeks after finishing Assimil: 6.88% Unknown words on the last 4 weeks: 3.15% Audiobooks Unknown words on the first 4 weeks after finishing Assimil: 7.27% Unknown words on the last 4 weeks: 6.61% Those stats should cover the reading part. Regarding the writing, I have been writing a weekly post in my log and in Lang-8 to exercise it. My last corrected post received 10 corrections out of 320 words. You can check all of them in Lang-8 if you want to dig deeper. For my oral production I started doing an exchange 3 weeks ago, and I can gladly say that I spoke for about an hour and a half last Sunday in Danish(We discussed about politics among other topics). It is difficult to auto-evaluate my level, but I feel comfortable speaking in danish even tough I still make a lot of mistakes. Finally, my listening skills are the ones that I am most disappointed on. I still have trouble understanding a danish radio called P1. It actually depends a lot on what they are talking about, but I have certainly not reach a level yet where I can understand most(or all) of it, which I consider a requirement to claim a B2 level. During my language exchanges there were also times I couldn't understand and my partner had to rephrase(probably between 3-5 times during our last meeting, which is a lot considering I did most of the talking:$:$) So there it is, I would say that after these 80 additional days my level is pretty close to B2 and the only thing stopping me is the listening comprehension. Of course, the idea is that you draw your own conclusions from the data and information I provided. Sorry for the mistakes I may have done, but I was to lazy to check back the whole text :$:$ 14 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| sammychanforeve Triglot Groupie United States Joined 5994 days ago 43 posts - 51 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Japanese Studies: French | Message 19 of 40 06 August 2011 at 1:32am | IP Logged | ||
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Quitarob,
Thanks for this post. Very useful to see this kind of quantitative description of progress made over a stated time period. Not many of us follow up like this. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| talkl Diglot Groupie Israel Joined 5162 days ago 51 posts - 61 votes Speaks: Modern Hebrew*, English Studies: Spanish | Message 20 of 40 08 August 2011 at 12:07pm | IP Logged | ||
Did you use any native materials before finishing Assimil? Edited by talkl on 08 August 2011 at 12:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| guitarob Hexaglot Groupie CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5013 days ago 95 posts - 138 votes Speaks: Spanish*, French, English, Danish, Portuguese, Italian Studies: German | Message 21 of 40 09 August 2011 at 2:17pm | IP Logged | ||
I listened to danish radio everyday, but I didn't actually understand it, so I don't think it helped much. I also started reading a news article per day towards the end of the active wave but without taking note of the words I didn't know, just informal reading and searching the words I didn't know in google translate. It is important to add, I started adding words I didn't know into Anki towards the end of the active wave, but only if they were in the top 5000 in frequency and I kept on doing this with my post-assimil studies 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Radu-1987 Diglot Groupie RomaniaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4915 days ago 42 posts - 52 votes Speaks: Japanese*, English Studies: Russian | Message 22 of 40 09 August 2011 at 3:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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Greetings,Does anyone know if CEFR test in Russian is available online?
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| jean-luc Senior Member France Joined 4886 days ago 100 posts - 150 votes Speaks: French* Studies: German | Message 23 of 40 09 August 2011 at 4:58pm | IP Logged | ||
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On their last edition of their German sans peine, they advertise a B2 level. Not sure if it's is true.
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| MrScotchpie Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4931 days ago 5 posts - 11 votes Studies: Japanese | Message 24 of 40 02 February 2012 at 7:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm thinking of using Assimil for my Dutch studies which I have recently begun.
As for the CEFR standards I use a simple method for calculating the level a particular course will take you to. To get a starting point, Richard Simcott has recently taken A1 in Turkish. On his blog he says that over the three months he studied for the exam he was exposed to approximately 2,000 words, but couldn't remember them all. As he is an accomplished and experienced language learner, let us assume he remembered 1,000. So as a starting point, 1,000 words equals a comfortable A1. Moving up to B1, this is equivalent to a UK NQF level 2 exam, also called a GCSE in the school system. A GCSE/NQF 2 requires, or use to require, approcimately 2,000 - 3,000 words for a pass. So, to err on the side of safety, we will say 3,000 words equals B1. Now let's go to B2. This exam is equivalent to a UK NQF level 3 exam, also called an "A-level", in the school system. A levels, or NQF 3, are taken at school or college as university entrance exams. A foreign language A level requires, or used to, approximately 3,000 to 4,000 words. So, to err on the side of safety, we will say 4,000 words equals B2. We now have a convenient linear relationship between the levels and required words enabling us to fill in the missing A2. A1 = 1,000 A2 = 2,000 B1 = 3,000 B2 = 4,000 A course such as Assimil or Teach Yourself with around 1,500 words puts a learner squarely between A1 and A2 on the CEFR scale. Edited by MrScotchpie on 02 February 2012 at 7:39pm 4 persons have voted this message useful |
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