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Message 1 of 315 March 2011 at 11:23pm | IP Logged
I'm very, very slowly learning Japanese. Currently, I have been working on understanding the Japanese film "Shall We ダンス?"
In the introduction, I came on this sentence:
I think this must mean "It's that there is an ulterior motive."
But what puzzles me about this is the apparent use of a て-form right before the particle の (あっての). Is that what this is? I've never seen that before. Is it common? When is it used? Does this differ from saying 下心があることだ。
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Message 2 of 316 March 2011 at 3:44am | IP Logged
If I recall correctly, the form 「て form＋のこと」is also tested on the JPLT 1. I really
envy you for taking the initiative to learn these kind of things in a fun, adventurous
way instead of cramming from a book!
You're right about the meaning, and also about the fact that there's a much more common
way of expressing it. However, I think we wouldn't say 「下心があることだ」 but rather, 「下
心があるということだ」or more colloquially,「下心があるってことだ」. My impression is
that these are used a hundred times more than the one you came across in the movie
(which isn't to say that it isn't a good thing to know!)
I'm not sure if it's etymologically correct, but the way I got this puzzling
construction to make sense to me was by remembering that the て form can sometimes be
used to give a reason for something (similar to ので). For example, if you asked me how
a party went, I could say「風邪引いて行けなかったよ」 in which case the て form doesn't just
join the sentences with a neutral "and", but is more of a "I caught a cold, and SO (as
a result of that) I couldn't go". And sometimes we can use this first part by itself:
So you didn't go to last night's party?
Yeah, that's right. I caught a cold, so because of that...
Your example might be related:
He has an ulterior motive, so because of that... [*], that's what it is.
* Here the result isn't mentioned because it's self-explanatory/already mentioned.
Anyway, that's how I rationalize it. I hope this makes sense to other people!
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By the way how to pronounce 下心? Is it "fushin"?
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