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| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 5931 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes  22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian | Message 1 of 9 08 April 2011 at 7:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I thought it might be interesting for those of us who have an interest in the Jewish Languages (i.e., Biblical Hebrew, Modern Hebrew, Aramaic, Yiddish, Ladino) to share how we use them and learn them.
I have been intensively studying Biblical Hebrew for about the last year (although I have been exposed to it passively and indirectly and have studied on and off for 25 years) partially for the purpose of ministry and just because, with the Bible and Languages as two of my strong interests, I really should have expertise in Hebrew. I also have a passive undertanding of the other languages as follows (I have never actively studied any of them): German + Hebrew ≈ Yiddish Spanish + Hebrew ≈ Ladino Biblical Hebrew ≈ Modern Hebrew Biblical Hebrew ≈ Aramaic I am planning to start active study of either Modern Hebrew or Aramaic shortly (as soon as I "complete" Biblical Hebrew--i.e., "Basic Fluency" which is fairly close on the horizon for me). If anyone has an opinion on which of these to do first, let me know. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| getreallanguage Diglot Senior Member Argentina youtube.com/getreall Joined 5280 days ago 240 posts - 371 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: Italian, Dutch | Message 2 of 9 08 April 2011 at 7:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The more you know about medieval Spanish, the more you will be able to understand Ladino. I have never studied it and I understand the spoken language very well due to my knowledge of Spanish and medieval Spanish.
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| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 5931 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian | Message 3 of 9 08 April 2011 at 9:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, Ladino is just like Yiddish that way, Yiddish being derived from medieval German. Incidentally, here is something interesting vis-a-vis medieval Spanish: Cantar de mío Cid Edited by JW on 08 April 2011 at 9:17pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Gorgoll2 Senior Member Brazil veritassword.blogspo Joined 4955 days ago 159 posts - 192 votes Speaks: Portuguese* | Message 4 of 9 08 April 2011 at 9:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
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This´ interesting. My city was founded by Sephardi Jews and on Greveyard we´ve tombs
written in Hebrew. I will bring a photography to get the meaning. Good luck, JW! Edited by Gorgoll2 on 09 April 2011 at 2:17am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 5931 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian | Message 5 of 9 08 April 2011 at 10:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
That will be interesting. I look forward to seeing them. Here is a link to an excerpt of a 15th century poem in Ladino: Stanzas of Joseph the Wise Edited by JW on 08 April 2011 at 10:13pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| etracher Triglot Groupie Italy Joined 5143 days ago 92 posts - 180 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish Studies: Modern Hebrew, Russian, Latvian | Message 6 of 9 09 April 2011 at 7:28am | IP Logged | |||||
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Very interesting thread. I am also interested in learning Jewish languages as well as learning Semitic languages more generally. I began studying both modern and biblical Hebrew about 2 years ago, however I decided to switch to modern because I felt that perhaps active skills in the modern language might help me learn the ancient version a bit more easily. Plus I have had the pleasure of meeting interesting Israeli conversation partners. Next year I will begin ancient Hebrew and Aramaic.
As regards your question, I suppose that which language you should start depends on you. Because of your religious interests, Aramaic might be more satisfying. On the other hand, my personal experience with Modern Hebrew has been very good and it gives the extra satisfaction of being able to talk with people, which is nice because it is an additional motivating factor. Ladino is another language on my hit list. It has a beautiful sound, I love Sephardic history and I love minority Romance languages. JW, what resources have you been using in your Hebrew studies? Edited by etracher on 09 April 2011 at 7:29am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 5931 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian | Message 7 of 9 09 April 2011 at 1:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
I have also heard others say that this is the more efficient order in which to learn them if you plan on learning both. For me I really only "need" Biblical Hebrew, and an opportunity came up for me to study it one-on-one with my Pastor, so I did Biblical first.
I have been very pleased with the following: 1. Mansoor's Biblical Hebrew Step by Step series (volumes 1 and 2): http://www.amazon.com/Biblical-Hebrew-Step/dp/0801060419/ref =sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1302348103&sr=8-1 http://www.amazon.com/Biblical-Hebrew-Step-Readings-Genesis/ dp/0801061512#_ 2. Weingreen's Practical Grammar: http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Grammar-Classical-Hebrew/dp/ 0198154224/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1302350228&sr=1-1 3. The Grove-Wheeler Westminster Hebrew Morphology: http://www.theword.net/index.php?purchase-item&pid=15&l=engl ish 4. Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Definitions - used in conjunction with #3 5. Interlinearbible.org -has some incredible Biblical Hebrew resources such as: http://interlinearbible.org/genesis/1.htm http://study.interlinearbible.org/genesis/1.htm Using these resource I have been able to get to the point where I can pretty much pick up the Hebrew Bible and read it, memorize Bible verses in Hebrew, etc. Edited by JW on 09 April 2011 at 1:58pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Dragomanno Triglot Groupie Zimbabwe Joined 4812 days ago 80 posts - 98 votes Speaks: Italian*, EnglishC2, GermanB2 Studies: Romanian, Serbo-Croatian, Latin, Lithuanian, Albanian, Ancient Greek | Message 8 of 9 09 April 2011 at 3:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Italian Jews in Livorno used to speak a peculiar language named Bagitto or Bajitto, a kind of "creol" dialect originated from the merging of Jewish-Spanish and Jewish-Portuguese with the local Tuscan dialect.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagitto Shalom 1 person has voted this message useful |
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