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| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4965 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1097 of 1702 06 October 2013 at 11:29pm | IP Logged |
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My sister has a Japanese grocery store nearby and they also have a full blown bookstore inside. Japanese.
With Japanese pop music playing and everything. I couldn't believe it. I bought some manga - mostly stuff from shows I recognized. Aladdin, 進撃の巨人, Hunter X Hunter, 謎の彼女X, and a big volume of ドラえもん. I just started on Aladdin. It's probably exactly like the anime. All of the kanji has furigana and unlike the manga scans I downloaded online I can read all of the furigana no problems. I'm pretty happy. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4965 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1098 of 1702 09 October 2013 at 10:15am | IP Logged |
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I'm back home in Tucson from Portland. I read about 40 pages of ドラえもん on the airplane and a bit the night before in the hotel. It's clever and funny and easy to read. This is probably going to be my big thing for studying Japanese for a bit - reading ドラえもん. I don't care if it's meant for kids.
I went to see my old tutor at the junior college today. I'm off the rest of this week from work too so I have the time. It was fun - we spoke all Japanese for a while until a friend showed who was in my class last year. Although her Japanese is pretty good she wasn't speaking too much so I eventually switched to English to get her to speak more. I think she felt like she wasn't invited to the conversation or something unless I switched or she just wanted me to practice more I dunno. She's saying she's rusty so maybe that's it. Anyway, I felt good that they both complimented me. They seemed to think that I understood a lot better but really it was that I was able to respond in Japanese whereas before I had to use more English. I suppose the online Japanese tutoring sessions are helping. I liked the class I went to but we used too much English in the class I think. You really need a total immersion environment to make much progress. It's lonely studying alone though. I'm gonna try using the flashcard thing built into Japanese on the iPhone. I was making sentences and stuff on the computer and reading the book at the computer and well it's such a hassle. It's so much much easier to use the phone and I can add words etc. anywhere.. at home or at school or at a coffee shop or in bed.. I might miss the multimedia effects I can do on my flashcard SRS program Flashcards Deluxe though. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| g-bod Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5763 days ago 1485 posts - 2002 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, German | Message 1099 of 1702 09 October 2013 at 8:06pm | IP Logged |
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Sounds like you found hidden treasure in Portland! I love finding Japanese bookstores on my
travels. I haven't found anything outside London in the UK (although I expect London is a lot closer to me than Portland is to you). I love ドラえもん too. It might be for kids but it's not that simple a read, so well done for levelling up. Nice work on the speaking practice too! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4965 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1100 of 1702 10 October 2013 at 10:57am | IP Logged |
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Thanks for the encouragement. Yeah, they were both pretty impressed. I think my friend may try the online classes in part due to my getting better. Although she seemed a bit curious when I mentioned them to her before.
Yeah my family can WALK to this bookstore. Although it's faster to drive... and it's not even IN Portland. It's in a stupid suburb of Portland.. Beaverton. You could go visit Portland and explore it and never find it. Craziness. I really want to read more of the comics but I equally want to study the Japanese subs of this new anime I'm watching, 境界の彼方. There's only two episodes so far but it looks like a fun fantasy anime in present day Tokyo with lots of action. I was thinking I should get a good Spanish dictionary for my iPhone and brush up at least a little on my Spanish. I wanted a good monolingual dictionary - I ended up with Vox. I chose it because it has flashcards built in. But I think it's not SRS and I don't know if I can even make lists from each book or whatever to narrow it down.. it could be a wash. It wasn't cheap either.. but the dictionary itself does seem quite good and I understand it readily. While searching for said dictionary, I found a post about some guy talking about the benefits of using a monolingual Japanese dictionary for your studying. (But I had Spanish in my search so go figure) Ok this is weird. My computer crashed for no good reason.. but when I restarted it.. Firefox saved all my tabs AND everything I'd typed here... (ok, weird in good way). Well this guy was pretty convincing. I decided to try it. AJATT says sanseido is a good one. My two test words... Ok. Crashed again. And the text is back again. I think I might try cleaning the dust out of the computer. I hate cleaning. grr. 自ら and 動揺. They both had definitions I understood quickly and readily. I didn't struggle with the kanji either. Although I am sure that won't be the case all the time. But it's got me wanting to try monolingual flashcards again. Whenever I try to use the awesome built in Japanese dictionary SRS flashcard system, something happens and I go back to my SRS app FlashCards Deluxe. Damn. The built in Flashcard system in the app is nice too. It tests you both ways and when production is just a pain it switches to recognition until you get that right again before pushing you back into production. (why isn't that something my flashcard app author uses? I don't think ANKI does it either.) I'm thinking of using text to speech to deal with the lack of furigana for the Japanese definitions. I kind of hate to do the whole furigana in parenthesis next to the kanji. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4965 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1101 of 1702 10 October 2013 at 11:43am | IP Logged |
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nah I'm backing out of the monolingual flashcards. It's doable. It wasn't until the 8th word that I found a definition that I couldn't make heads or tails of. Looking up the words in the definition wasn't much help either. (the word was 規範 if you're curious.) The words 規準 and 手本 didn't help me either. And their definitions weren't good. A work around would be to just use English footnotes when I really need them.
I want to give this SRS flashcard system in the Dictionary app a good try though. It's so easy to add words with it and kanji etc. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| g-bod Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5763 days ago 1485 posts - 2002 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, German | Message 1102 of 1702 10 October 2013 at 2:22pm | IP Logged |
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You know you could do both. Have monolingual when you understand the definition and bilingual
when you don't. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4965 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1103 of 1702 11 October 2013 at 8:12am | IP Logged |
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Yeah that's more or less what I meant by English footnotes. And I may do it later. I really like the built in
dictionary.. Japanese in my iPhone app though. It makes adding cards SO easy and I like how it tests you by starting off easy with furigana and then getting harder showing you the English so you have to think of the Japanese. So convenient. No multimedia at all or Japanese definitions. I had two online classes today. One was a JLPT N3 prep class and the other was my private tutoring session. The N3 class is basically practice questions that look like they came from the test. It seems these classes are more popular than the others. I enjoyed it. In a lot of ways it was a lot more like my Japanese class at school. You're given a problem and you have to solve it and being creative isn't really an issue at all. One question seemed to have lots if responses that seemed correct even to the tutor although in the end she picked one answer. Most of the others weren't too bad. I suppose they throw in a few really tough ones to see who's really on their game. I read a little ドラえもん today while waiting for a class to start. Not a lot. Mostly I was lazy and watched anime. Well not really true. I got through a lot of flashcards today early on. Including a lot of kanji cards. In my dictionary app it's easy to tap a kanji to fast link to its entry and then add it to a deck. I have about two hundred kanji in his deck after adding them for a few days. I'm testing myself on recognition of the kanji's meaning and it's common pronunciations.. I'm more focused on the Chinese one(s). I've tried this in the past but gave it up but it's so easy to make a deck using the kanji of words I'm studying right now so I think that will make it easier. And I would like to be able to read print books for adults that don't have furigana everywhere. That'll take a while and I'm ok with it but I want to take steps to get there. These manga I bought are really awesome for me. They're perfect for my level right now. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4965 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1104 of 1702 12 October 2013 at 8:56pm | IP Logged |
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I haven't read much =/. I guess I give priority to doing flashcard reviews. I'm thinking I'm going to try making some monolingual cards. I'll have side 3 include English definitions for any words I don't know but the goal will be to not use side 3. I'm kind of curious to see how studying monolingual cards will help my Japanese obviously, but another reason is that I feel like I'm wasting my time while I do chores or exercise. Well, doing chores not so much. I don't do them that often (bad I know) and when I do, I can turn on a Japanese radio talk show. But exercising, with my flashcard app, I can listen to cards and play music really easily. I can't really exercise to a talk show. Japanese music is kind of ok but often the J-POP station on Pandora or iTunes mixes in a lot of non Japanese music and the Japanese music that is there often has songs whose lyrics I can't understand easily, and not when I'm paying half attention.
So I'm making flashcards now. When I do the Japanese tutoring sessions they try to keep it all Japanese so maybe if they ask me what something means I'll be able to say it in Japanese.. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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