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| g-bod Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5768 days ago 1485 posts - 2002 votes  Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, German | Message 689 of 1702 06 January 2013 at 11:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well why not go for a combination of monolingual and bilingual flashcards? If I can link a new word to a word I already know in the language, I go with monolingual, but otherwise I still stick with bilingual. I think I get the best of both worlds that way.
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| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4970 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 690 of 1702 06 January 2013 at 11:21pm | IP Logged | ||
Makes sense. I'm running into another problem though. The two dictionaries don't seem to have the same definitions for the words... tesitura (figurado) Actitude o disposición del ánimo. (I take this to mean attitude or disposition, and see what I mean about there being loads of cognates in this language?) and the Harrap's Dictionary: tesitura (situación) circumstances, situation I'm guessing I trust the Harrap's Dictionary more I think maybe. Arghh... ---- *edit* oh hell I guess if you're using this word figuratively it could be both definitions. Also when I tried this before it started seeming silly since I would always think of the English and not the Spanish when I did the flashcards anyway. But I'm gonna make 2 decks like you suggested... *edit* man I need to stop editing my posts so much. New idea. I can make 3 sided cards in my deck anyway - I'm gonna just got side 1 target word, side 2 target language definition, side 3 English definition. So obvious. Why didn't I think of it already. Edited by kraemder on 06 January 2013 at 11:32pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4970 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 691 of 1702 06 January 2013 at 11:38pm | IP Logged | ||
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Ok no more edits for now I'm making a new post..
I wanna try this with Japanese too XD. IE English and Japanese definitions. I need a monolingual Japanese dictionary for foreigners/children to help with this. And I'd really like to figure out a way to add furigana or something to the Japanese definitions if at all possible. I know Anki has a way to do this but i don't use anki (you can't do 3 sided cards in Anki anyway so it wouldn't work) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5012 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 692 of 1702 06 January 2013 at 11:38pm | IP Logged | ||
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| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4970 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 693 of 1702 07 January 2013 at 1:28am | IP Logged | ||
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Well I started out making definitions for my Spanish and got distracted by Japanese lol. I looked for monolingual Japanese dictionaries and it was a pain (shocking right). I found a post regarding a nice print copy of a children's Japanese dictionary that someone found really good for her studies and she claimed to be unable to use even the 'concise' e-dictionaries online. It had furigana for everything. Great. I tried to see if I could purchase it from Amazon.jp. I can't. They won't ship it to my address. No idea how much it is since I didn't get to see the shipping.
White Rabbit Japan offers a hardcopy dictionary for foreigners studying Japanese. Nothing electronic. It looks useable. I understood some of the definitions I looked at and that was cool. Some I didn't which obviously isn't so cool and since it's not electronic it would be a pain cross-referencing a lot. It's 40$ plus shipping. I got this coupon to save 10$ on any order over 50$ from them. Decided it's interesting but not what I'm looking for at the moment. Free is what I'm looking for and something right now. I don't know if this thing will be for me yet. I ended up using the Japanese dictionary in Rikai-sama. I think it pulls definitions off of a website - it's not like the English one you download and it's a little slower but not bad. It doesn't seem to be as comprehensive either. I have a list of Yookoso Chapter 6 vocab that I haven't started in on much yet really. I started a test deck with it. Some of the definitions I do understand readily - they're very simple. Others not so much. I'm going to make another SRS deck and test with the Japanese definition on side 1 and the target word on side 2. I currently don't test vocabulary to produce it and I was thinking of adding this to my studies anyway. My app does text to speech so it'll read the kanji to me. I can't slow it down and it's unfortunately harder to understand than native audio (I love Rikai-sama so much!). Gonna go test it out after I finish this post. I'll make the Spanish deck later. Edited by kraemder on 07 January 2013 at 1:29am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4970 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 694 of 1702 07 January 2013 at 4:50am | IP Logged | ||
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Well it's fun to try out new study routines and see how they work - everyone wants to learn as much as fast as possible obviously. I'm ditching the monolingual definitions for now even with the English as page 3. It just takes more time to make the cards and I'm reading a book so it's distracting.
Regarding Japanese. I'm not going to use the Japanese definitions either. Instead I'm going to swap out my Kanji side 1 deck for a sentence deck. I don't think I have time to do more than 2 decks per word and stay on top of them at all. I'm barely getting through having words in two decks so i can't do both. So for Japanese vocab I have one deck which is the first deck.. side one is blank, just audio. then side two has the kanji/hiragana and side 3 the English. I pretty much ignore side 2 when I test this deck. In theory I could put a Japanese definition on side 2 and then on side 3 have English definitions for the target word and any words in the japanese definition that I don't already know. I'll think about this. It would be a pain to redo the decks I already have though. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Helemano Newbie Japan Joined 4126 days ago 31 posts - 39 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Portuguese | Message 695 of 1702 07 January 2013 at 5:10am | IP Logged | ||
You can do 3 sided cards in Anki. You could even do 7-sided cards if you wanted. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4970 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 696 of 1702 07 January 2013 at 5:32am | IP Logged | ||
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A year ago I looked into this quite a bit and people kept telling me I could but eventually I found out that you couldn't and the reason was that the author had researched studying with flashcards and found that 2 sided cards were the most effective. They could have changed it. I just don't think the author's philosophy has changed so I'm doubtful.
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