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Classical Arabic word in a poem
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hoss Tetraglot Newbie United States Joined 4747 days ago 11 posts - 14 votes Speaks: English*, German, Arabic (Written), Mandarin Studies: Hindi, Persian, Bengali	Message 9 of 10 27 April 2011 at 7:52pm \| IP Logged
	Thanks a lot. I have never seen AraFlex and it does look like it will be very useful. I will check the dictionaries again for other meanings of ghawaalin (with ghouls definitely a possibility), but since the word "rakhaa'is" is used I am guessing there is some kind of juxtaposition of gh - l - w in its meaning as "expensive" (as in ghaalii) and r - kh - S in its meaning as "cheap" (rakhiiS). Of course, there will be additional meanings associated with these roots in the 11th century. The poet is al-Zamakhshari (known more for his tafsiir and grammar, and for being a Mu'tazili). It is a poem from his diwan. The meter is Tawil, but with the last foot shortened in each half line from mafaa'iilun (//o/o/o) to mafaa'ilun (//o//o). That helps with determining vowelling. So the basic hemistich pattern is: //o/o,//o/o/o,//o/o,//o//o but there also occurs //o/ for the third foot. (in the Arabic symbols, "/" = consonant + short vowel; "/o" = consonant + long vowel OR consonant + short vowel followed by unvowelled consonant. I think this is a lot easier to understand than what Wright and others give) Here are the preceding and proceeding lines: Wa-lam yabqa ˀillâ li-n-niˁâmi wa-li-l-qaṭâ ˀadâḥiyyu fî wâdi –l-ġaḍâ wa-mufâḥiṣû Wa-mâˀun bi-ˀaˁla –t-talˁatayni ˀaṭâbahû Kurûru –n-nuˁâmî fawqahu wa-l-ḥaṣâḥiṣû Faḍâlâtu mâ qad ˀasˀarathu ˁaqâˀilun ˁiðâbu –ƿ-ƿanâyâ bi-l-ˀarâki čawâˀiṣû .... Wa-ðu -ṣ-ṣabri mâ yamtâḥu jammahu ṣabrihi Fa-yunzafuhâ ˀilla –l-firâqu –l-muġâfiṣû Wa-waṣlu –l-ġawânî ẓillu ˀafnâni sarḥatin Taqayyala fîha –r-rakbu wa-ẓ-ẓillu qâliṣû Wa-ˁahdu –l-ġawâni –l-ˀâlu wa-l-ġawlu wa-l-latî ˁalay-hâ nufûsu –l-ˁâlamayni ḥarâˀiṣû In Arabic script: ولم يبق إلا للنعام وللقطا * أداحي في وادي الغضا ومفاحص وماء بأعلى التلعتين اطابه * كرور النعامى فوقه والحصاحص فضالات ما قد أسأرته عقائل *عذاب الثنايا بالأراك شوائص ... وذو الصبر ما يمتاح جمه صبره * فينزفها إلا الفراق المغافص ووصل الغواني ظل أفنان سرحة * تقيل فيها الركب والظل قالص وعهد الغواني الآل والغول والتي *عليها نفوس العالمين حرائص Please let me know what you think, and thanks again for your response. 1 person has voted this message useful
Cetacea Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie United States booh.com Joined 5111 days ago 80 posts - 163 votes Speaks: English, Mandarin, Arabic (Yemeni), Arabic (Written) Studies: French	Message 10 of 10 28 April 2011 at 8:23am \| IP Logged
	Reading poetry is beyond my level, so I had to ask a friend, and here what she told me: عقائل is the plural of عقيلة means something noble or of great value. أرواح الذين is an إضافة meaning the spirits (love) of those who... In poetry, spirit often refers to love. سبينهم came from سبى يسبي here it means women captivated men. Women is the doer and men (هم ) is the object of the action. هم and الذينboth refer to men who love women. الغوالي is the plural of غالية and it's اسم منقوص , meaning expensive or valuable. In plain English and without conveying the beauty of the poem it's saying that the best and finest love of those (men) who were captivated by women is considered cheap or worthless by women. In other words: women don't care about love. I don't think I agree with it though... :) Edited by Cetacea on 28 April 2011 at 8:24am 2 persons have voted this message useful

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hoss Tetraglot Newbie United States Joined 4747 days ago 11 posts - 14 votes Speaks: English*, German, Arabic (Written), Mandarin Studies: Hindi, Persian, Bengali	Message 9 of 10 27 April 2011 at 7:52pm \| IP Logged
	Thanks a lot. I have never seen AraFlex and it does look like it will be very useful. I will check the dictionaries again for other meanings of ghawaalin (with ghouls definitely a possibility), but since the word "rakhaa'is" is used I am guessing there is some kind of juxtaposition of gh - l - w in its meaning as "expensive" (as in ghaalii) and r - kh - S in its meaning as "cheap" (rakhiiS). Of course, there will be additional meanings associated with these roots in the 11th century. The poet is al-Zamakhshari (known more for his tafsiir and grammar, and for being a Mu'tazili). It is a poem from his diwan. The meter is Tawil, but with the last foot shortened in each half line from mafaa'iilun (//o/o/o) to mafaa'ilun (//o//o). That helps with determining vowelling. So the basic hemistich pattern is: //o/o,//o/o/o,//o/o,//o//o but there also occurs //o/ for the third foot. (in the Arabic symbols, "/" = consonant + short vowel; "/o" = consonant + long vowel OR consonant + short vowel followed by unvowelled consonant. I think this is a lot easier to understand than what Wright and others give) Here are the preceding and proceeding lines: Wa-lam yabqa ˀillâ li-n-niˁâmi wa-li-l-qaṭâ ˀadâḥiyyu fî wâdi –l-ġaḍâ wa-mufâḥiṣû Wa-mâˀun bi-ˀaˁla –t-talˁatayni ˀaṭâbahû Kurûru –n-nuˁâmî fawqahu wa-l-ḥaṣâḥiṣû Faḍâlâtu mâ qad ˀasˀarathu ˁaqâˀilun ˁiðâbu –ƿ-ƿanâyâ bi-l-ˀarâki čawâˀiṣû .... Wa-ðu -ṣ-ṣabri mâ yamtâḥu jammahu ṣabrihi Fa-yunzafuhâ ˀilla –l-firâqu –l-muġâfiṣû Wa-waṣlu –l-ġawânî ẓillu ˀafnâni sarḥatin Taqayyala fîha –r-rakbu wa-ẓ-ẓillu qâliṣû Wa-ˁahdu –l-ġawâni –l-ˀâlu wa-l-ġawlu wa-l-latî ˁalay-hâ nufûsu –l-ˁâlamayni ḥarâˀiṣû In Arabic script: ولم يبق إلا للنعام وللقطا * أداحي في وادي الغضا ومفاحص وماء بأعلى التلعتين اطابه * كرور النعامى فوقه والحصاحص فضالات ما قد أسأرته عقائل *عذاب الثنايا بالأراك شوائص ... وذو الصبر ما يمتاح جمه صبره * فينزفها إلا الفراق المغافص ووصل الغواني ظل أفنان سرحة * تقيل فيها الركب والظل قالص وعهد الغواني الآل والغول والتي *عليها نفوس العالمين حرائص Please let me know what you think, and thanks again for your response. 1 person has voted this message useful
Cetacea Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie United States booh.com Joined 5111 days ago 80 posts - 163 votes Speaks: English, Mandarin, Arabic (Yemeni), Arabic (Written) Studies: French	Message 10 of 10 28 April 2011 at 8:23am \| IP Logged
	Reading poetry is beyond my level, so I had to ask a friend, and here what she told me: عقائل is the plural of عقيلة means something noble or of great value. أرواح الذين is an إضافة meaning the spirits (love) of those who... In poetry, spirit often refers to love. سبينهم came from سبى يسبي here it means women captivated men. Women is the doer and men (هم ) is the object of the action. هم and الذينboth refer to men who love women. الغوالي is the plural of غالية and it's اسم منقوص , meaning expensive or valuable. In plain English and without conveying the beauty of the poem it's saying that the best and finest love of those (men) who were captivated by women is considered cheap or worthless by women. In other words: women don't care about love. I don't think I agree with it though... :) Edited by Cetacea on 28 April 2011 at 8:24am 2 persons have voted this message useful