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| Tezza Groupie United Kingdom Joined 5473 days ago 41 posts - 64 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 1 of 7 13 June 2011 at 2:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi everyone, I was wondering whether anybody on here finds it easier to remember, and pronounce, words/sentences by doing what they do in the pimsleur series and working from back to front. I have no love of pimsleur myself, but I've found that, when doing assimil, I sometimes get lost by the end of a line and that by starting with the last word of the sentence and working backwards I'm able to remember the whole thing better, and say it much more quickly.
Does anybody else do this? Is this even a method that has a real reason for working? 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5754 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 2 of 7 13 June 2011 at 6:25pm | IP Logged | ||
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I do this too...it's commonly called backward chaining or backchaining. I also do backchaining when memorizing dialogs/speeches, etc. Do a Google search to find some good explanations about it.
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| Tezza Groupie United Kingdom Joined 5473 days ago 41 posts - 64 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 3 of 7 13 June 2011 at 6:52pm | IP Logged | ||
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I had absolutely no idea that there was even a term for it. Thanks for that. Maybe I would have learnt 'The Raven' better if I had used this method, instead of endlessly repeating it until it (almost) stuck.
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| fanatic Octoglot Senior Member Australia speedmathematics.com Joined 6941 days ago 1152 posts - 1818 votes Speaks: English*, German, French, Afrikaans, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Dutch Studies: Swedish, Norwegian, Polish, Modern Hebrew, Malay, Mandarin, Esperanto | Message 4 of 7 14 June 2011 at 7:04am | IP Logged | ||
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I would recommend using any strategy that works for you.
I like the question and I like the concept. It has worked for me when using Pimsleur and I simply hadn't thought of doing it apart from the Pimsleur programs. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| arturs Triglot Senior Member Latvia Joined 5066 days ago 278 posts - 408 votes Speaks: Latvian*, Russian, English | Message 5 of 7 14 June 2011 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah, I go with all the previous people who responded - if it works, then use this method. I probably will give this approach a chance and write my experiences in my log.
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5806 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 6 of 7 14 June 2011 at 5:20pm | IP Logged | ||
In my TEFL course, we were taught backchaining, and the teacher said "no-one knows why it works, but it does". I thought this a bit weird because it's commonly recognised that people are better at remembering the start of words than the end of them. For example, when you have a word "on the tip of your tongue", you normally have an impression in your head of the start of the word (whether just the first letter, the syllable onset, or even the whole first syllable) and the prosody of the word (the stress pattern and the number of syllables), so it should be obvious that the end of the word needs a bit more practice than the start. However, I also feel that Pimsleur relies so heavily on it because of the amount of new material in some of the sentences. Well, not necessarily "new", but "not yet fully learned". A four-syllable word in a sentence structure I'm not yet comfortable with is always going to be difficult! In general, I think syllable-by-syllable backchaining is overdoing it -- I'd rather stick to morphemes. By the time you reach a word like "incorrigible", you should be happy enough with the -ible suffix. The word is built up of three parts -- in-corrig(e)-ible -- I don't see why you would need more than 3 steps, rather than 5 steps covering the syllables: -ible corrigible incorrigible This type of back chaining reinforces the underlying structure of the language as well as just the superficial form. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Tezza Groupie United Kingdom Joined 5473 days ago 41 posts - 64 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 7 of 7 14 June 2011 at 8:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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I don't do it for every sentence, but just when I'm struggling. I only started to do it recently too, once I started to learn Swedish. I don't do it when studying French because I'm much more familiar with it, unless I find a word or sentence particularly difficult.
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