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Gomorritis
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 Message 305 of 353
06 April 2013 at 12:12am | IP Logged 
Thank you for this software! I've been using it for around a month now and it's been extremely helpful.

It's true that it's much better for certain languages. For example in Greek I have to save the same word in feminine,
in neuter, in masculine, in plural, in accusative, in genitive, etc. Also with verbs I have many forms. However in
Dutch I just store nouns twice (singular and plural), and same goes for adjectives or verbs... it's much less effort!
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lorinth
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 Message 306 of 353
09 April 2013 at 9:53am | IP Logged 
Gomorritis wrote:
It's true that it's much better for certain languages. For example
in Greek I have to save the same word in feminine,
in neuter, in masculine, in plural, in accusative, in genitive, etc. !


I've been using LWT to learn both non-inflected (Chinese) and very very highly
inflected languages (Latin and Finnish). Yet I seldom save several different inflected
forms of the same word. First, for Finnish and Latin, I use the "romanization" field to
indicate the dictionary and other basic forms (ex. for a Latin verb: 1st pers. sing.
ind. pres. + past + participle; for Finnish: nominative + other interesting forms if
any). Then, when I study, I usually test myself to see if I can recall that basic form
from the inflected form in the text. Then, in general, when I see other inflected forms
of the same word in other texts, I can recognize them and, bingo, the word is known. No
need to add the partitive plural of a noun or the subjunctive pluperfect of a verb. If
on the other hand I can't recognize such a form then, and only then, I can add it to
the list of terms. In general one, sometimes two, infrequently three forms are enough -
those that you actually come across in real texts. No need to add the whole
morphological paradigm. In addition, some "possible forms" are
very infequent in real texts.

Edited by lorinth on 09 April 2013 at 9:57am

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lwtproject
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 Message 307 of 353
09 April 2013 at 2:06pm | IP Logged 
Gomorritis wrote:
... For example in Greek I have to save the same word in feminine,
in neuter, in masculine, in plural, in accusative, in genitive, etc. Also with verbs I have many forms.


If there are many word forms, it's a good idea (as a beginner) to save all of them in LWT. After some time you will
just mark new word forms with "Well Known" or "Ignore".
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Gomorritis
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 Message 308 of 353
09 April 2013 at 5:08pm | IP Logged 
lwtproject wrote:
Gomorritis wrote:
... For example in Greek I have to save the same word in feminine,
in neuter, in masculine, in plural, in accusative, in genitive, etc. Also with verbs I have many forms.


If there are many word forms, it's a good idea (as a beginner) to save all of them in LWT. After some time you will
just mark new word forms with "Well Known" or "Ignore".


You are right, and this is what I have been doing so far.

Still, with less inflected languages, whenever you first open an easy text, most words
already appear with a white background, so you immediately know that you know
most words. It's mostly the psychological effect: you are more aware of the
progress you are making and makes you feel much better. When I open a
text in Greek there are still many words that I do know appear in blue, it
somehow depresses me. Then I start noticing I do know many words in blue
cause I saw them in other forms and start feeling better again. Or maybe it's
just me, hehe.

Edited by Gomorritis on 09 April 2013 at 5:11pm

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Gomorritis
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 Message 309 of 353
23 April 2013 at 7:59pm | IP Logged 
There is a new version of this software.

Quote:
1.5.0 (April 22 2013): New Feature: Create and edit an improved annotated text version (as interlinear text)
for online or offline learning. Read more here.
In-Place-editing of translations and romanizations now possible within the terms table.
You may now empty (= delete the contents of) the LWT database in the "Backup/Restore/Empty Database" screen.
Some minor improvements. Documentation, screenshots and demo database updated.


I don't think I need those features right now, so I won't install it. Unless there is some speed improvement.

By the way, what are exactly the advantages of archiving texts? Only saving hard drive space?
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lwtproject
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 Message 310 of 353
23 April 2013 at 10:42pm | IP Logged 
Gomorritis wrote:
By the way, what are exactly the advantages of archiving texts? Only saving hard drive space?


About the difference between active texts and archived texts:

Active texts

They have been parsed and tokenized according to the rules defined for the language.
The result is stored in a cache of sentences and text items.
They use a lot of space in the database.
Reading with term creation/editing and dictionary lookup is possible.
Testing of a stored term that occurs in the text, is possible. A terms will be tested within the context of any sentence(s) in all active texts (the number of sentences may be set (1, 2, or 3) as a preference).

Archived texts

They are not parsed and tokenized, only the text is stored.
Compared with active texts, they don't use much space in the database, because no sentences and no text items are stored.
Reading with term creation/editing and dictionary lookup is not possible.
Testing of a stored term, that occurs in the text, is possible, but a term will be tested ONLY within the context of the sentence(s) that has/have been stored with the term in the sentence field, if the term does not occur in any active text.
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Tsopivo
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 Message 311 of 353
24 April 2013 at 6:11am | IP Logged 
Thank you for this software! I have been looking into language learning websites recently and I have registered on Lingq. I like the idea of a software that is completely free and Opensource though so I am considering switching to LWT instead. Just to be sure to understand, in LWT, each person has to download their own texts and audios right? Or is there some kind of library of content shared by users?
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lwtproject
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 Message 312 of 353
24 April 2013 at 8:13am | IP Logged 
Tsopivo wrote:
Just to be sure to understand, in LWT, each person has to download their own texts and audios right? Or is there some kind of library of content shared by users?


Yes, you are right. There is no "LWT shared library".

Within LWT, you can use any text (via Copy and Paste) with or without audio you'll find on the Internet. The LingQ library, which can be accessed easily via a free LingQ account, has excellent meterial, but there are other sources as well...


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