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Luai_lashire
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Studies: Japanese, French

 
 Message 17 of 20
04 October 2011 at 7:00pm | IP Logged 
I'm going to do one list for beginning stage and one for later (intermediate+) as I think the focus is very different
between them.

Beginning stage:

A. Parts of speech
B. Sentence structure/order
C. Vocabulary
D. Verb conjugations
E. Cases/Gender/Plurality (I would learn these together with conjugations)
F. Pronunciation
G. Imperatives (i.e. "commands")
H. Voice (i.e. "active" vs. "passive")
I. Subjunctives
K. Cultural mores/behavior/idioms and stock phrases

Intermediate +:

A. Verb conjugations (if not yet mastered)
B. Pronunciation
C. Imperatives (IF this does not simply fall under conjugation or what have you)
D. Voice
E. Cultural mores/behavior/idioms and stock phrases
F. Subjunctives
G. Sentence structure/order (here I am assuming this would cover "advanced grammar")
H. Vocabulary
I. Anything else you are still struggling with

I don't think it's important to worry overly much about pronunciation at first. If you are listening and speaking
enough, you should be constantly improving it anyway. Later, in the intermediate stage, I think it's worth going
back and doing some work on the phonology of the language and learning about stress and so forth and
generally doing intense work on pronunciation. But it's more important at first to get your feet wet and learn to
actually say something.
I also think beginners should learn all verb conjugations and cases and etc. in a big batch at the beginning and
just continue drilling and practicing from there.
Vocabulary is very important at the beginning because it gives you things to say but it stays pretty important as
you move on because you're now finding the desire to say more complicated things that need more complicated
words.
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TrentBooks
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Speaks: English*, Spanish, Guarani
Studies: Biblical Hebrew, Japanese

 
 Message 18 of 20
06 October 2011 at 8:28pm | IP Logged 
I appreciate the responses so far. Anyone else want to weigh in on this question?
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darkwhispersdal
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Speaks: English*
Studies: Ancient Greek, French, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Mandarin, Japanese, Latin

 
 Message 19 of 20
08 October 2011 at 4:36pm | IP Logged 
A. Parts of speech (i.e. verbs, nouns, pronouns, adjectives, etc.)
B. Sentence structure/order (i.e. "Subject, Verb, Object")
C. Cases/Gender/Plurality (matching principles)
D. Verb conjugations (this is listed separately from A because of size of scope)
E. Vocabulary
F. Pronunciation
G. Imperatives (i.e. "commands")
H. Subjunctives
I. Voice (i.e. "active" vs. "passive")
J. Idioms

This order suits me for languages such as Russian and Ancient Greek especially as word order cripples me there. For Spanish verb conjugations would be before sentence structure.


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TrentBooks
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 Message 20 of 20
11 October 2011 at 6:20am | IP Logged 
So, based on responses, it looks like the math adds up thusly (in order of most important in early study stages):

1. Sentence structure/order (i.e. "Subject, Verb, Object")
2. Parts of speech (i.e. verbs, nouns, pronouns, adjectives, etc.)
3. Verb conjugations (this is listed separately from A because of size of scope)
4. Pronunciation
5. Vocabulary
6. Cases/Gender/Plurality (matching principles)
7. Imperatives (i.e. "commands")
8. Voice (i.e. "active" vs. "passive")
9. Subjunctives
10. Other

I really do appreciate the responses. It confirms some of my thoughts/theories, and opens the avenue for others.

Next question: When feeling discouraged, what helps you feel motivated to continue learning your target language?

Edited by TrentBooks on 11 October 2011 at 6:21am



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