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| a3 Triglot Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5067 days ago 273 posts - 370 votes  Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, Russian Studies: Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish, Norwegian, Finnish | Message 9 of 11 10 December 2011 at 3:11pm | IP Logged |
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In Bulgarian orthography has caused quite a hypercorrection
Ъ and йъ/ьъ in some suffixes are written а and я respectively. For the rest of part the orthography is completely regular. Quite a lot of people don't know about that exception, although they still pronounce the letters in the correct way. However in some occasions like formal speech or songs or even sometimes in everyday language they consciously pronounce а/я instead of ъ/йъ/ъь since they think everything is written as it is spelled. This is not making the grammar regular, but its one of the closest things you can get. Edited by a3 on 10 December 2011 at 3:12pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6470 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 10 of 11 10 December 2011 at 5:39pm | IP Logged |
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Orthography can make a language look regular, yet the language would not be regular. We could mark all plurals in
English with an s in writing if we wanted, though mans would still be pronounced ad men by most speakers. It would make the language harder to learn for foreign speakers, and harder for kids to learn. We could have ‹are› as the form of ‹to be› for all persons, but pronounce it differently. I could even begin to spell and with an x and make that into a rule. Orthography is a convention to represent a language, but, it’s only a representation and not the entire language. Changes in orthography tend to, in the long run, due to hypercorrection in speech change a language — but it do not make a language more regular the minute you apply it. If the same letter is used for several different sounds, and that unless you nḱnow the word, you don’t know how to pronounce it, I’d say that’s a very irregular orthography. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6408 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 11 of 11 12 December 2011 at 5:09am | IP Logged |
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With your Polish example, I think it's because the spelling is based on etymology/history etc? I've seen a similar example, there are two Russian sounds that correspond to a Czech one. However, it can be spelt in two ways, native speakers have to memorize this but we Russians can just look at our corresponding words most of the time (:
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