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| Normunds Pentaglot Groupie Switzerland Joined 5775 days ago 86 posts - 112 votes  Speaks: Latvian*, French, English, Russian, German Studies: Mandarin, Indonesian | Message 1 of 8 26 December 2011 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've been doing character transcription as an exercise. Never really finished, but figure it might be useful for somebody, so I posted it here: http://www.geo168.com/lang/zh/mandarin/fsi/index.php
Please let me know of any problems. Pinyin text is mostly produced automatically from the character text; I've corrected some, but it still should contain some incorrect pronuncation. Also modules Transportation, Meetings, and Society have no target/reference lists. I hope to add them soon... now when the rest is up :-) Travel is not really proofread so be patient - I wanted to post something... then maybe get around for finetuning. There might also be a confusion between target and reference lists. Why they have two - I guess it has not been clear for FSI as well - as the last modules have only reference lists. The last part - module 9 - I hope I will eventually have time to do it as well. There is no textbook for it - hence it is a bit more complex task. And lately I've been mostly working with another material. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6040 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written) | Message 2 of 8 26 December 2011 at 7:52pm | IP Logged | ||
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That is incredible!
Thank you so much for doing this. At some point I will try to make an Anki deck with this information. I have done Module 2 on my own, but this will make it so much easier! Great stuff! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Normunds Pentaglot Groupie Switzerland Joined 5775 days ago 86 posts - 112 votes Speaks: Latvian*, French, English, Russian, German Studies: Mandarin, Indonesian | Message 3 of 8 26 December 2011 at 9:08pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have mnemosyne cards based on this. Maybe it's not hard to export them in some format Anki can import. But they are not very consistent - for some modules I have entered whole target list sentences as well, for some only vocabulary. For some also English-Mandarin card, for some only the direct one.
BTW there is an interesting site http://www.hanlexon.com that allows to generate writing exercise pages - you just provide a hanzi list and get back the writing practice PDF. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5119 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 4 of 8 26 December 2011 at 10:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think I saw quite some errors, but I'm not sure what FSI-Mandarin is like, whether it gave you the Chinese and you just wrote the pinyin (where then the Chinese must be correct), or whether you wrote all that by yourself (where then errors are possible), etc.
Anyway, these are my doubts - maybe they're not wrong, I don't know. Orientation, unit 1 马明李 "mǎ mínglǐ" is more likely 马明理 than 马明李. 他（她）是谁？他是马明李。他是马先生。 you can simply write 他是谁？他是马明李。他是马先生。 Traveling in China, unit 2 你们政府认为目前大-，中-，小 情况怎么样� �� �� �� we write that as 你们政府认为目前大、中、小学情况怎么样？ No need the hyphen as in English, and you use "、" in lists, not commas. 中国政府有计划的提高一部分大学的水平。 adverb, 有计划地 是。基本上每三十个学生有一位教师，连最普 通的学校也有电视，图书馆，什么的。 也有电视、图书馆什么的。 Traveling in China, unit 5 这个矿区金属工业是什么时候开始有得？ 八十年代。机械工业也是八十年代才有得。 both should be 有的。 Traveling in China, unit 8 价钱都还不错，外国上人很少有空手回去得。 businessman 外国商人 回去的。 I wasn't reading in order. I think I saw a lot of mix-up between 的 and 得。 I think I saw one error in every 4 or 5 sentences, so maybe you could just scan them first and that should catch a lot of errors already. Edited by smallwhite on 26 December 2011 at 10:40pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Normunds Pentaglot Groupie Switzerland Joined 5775 days ago 86 posts - 112 votes Speaks: Latvian*, French, English, Russian, German Studies: Mandarin, Indonesian | Message 5 of 8 27 December 2011 at 11:21am | IP Logged | ||
Many thanks for the feedback. Will correct the errors you point out. But the Travel part is the one I did not carefully re-read - I switched to other materials at that time - so must have some errors left :-/ FSI has only pinyin, so I tried to transpose it in hanji. Hence problems like 的, 得 and 地. As well as the correct use of punctuation - initially I did not pay any attention to it at all - it was my private hanji exercise :-) I think by now I've improved my Mandarin a little, so when going back I'll probably catch some errors as well. But anybody is welcome to help. Then pinyin for the target lists is not typed in from the book, but again converted automatically by DimSum from character text. Even if I corrected the most evident problems with the pinyin, there might still be a lot more. Maybe I need to try OCR the original FSI books so I do not need to proofread all the pinyin. But OCRing means proofreading as well. No way to escape extra work to get it right :-) BTW if some native speakers are reading this - there were two name references that took me a while and that I could not get right in the end:
Edited by Normunds on 27 December 2011 at 2:50pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| daristani Senior Member United States Joined 6955 days ago 752 posts - 1661 votes Studies: Uzbek | Message 6 of 8 06 January 2012 at 2:22pm | IP Logged | ||
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Never having studied Chinese, I may be way off base in this, but I thought that the FSI Chinese course was developed jointly with DLI, and that the FSI and DLI versions of the course were essentially the same course. The DLI course available at
http://jlu.wbtrain.com/sumtotal/language/DLI%20basic%20cours es/Chinese%20Mandarin/Basic%20Course%20Books/ seems to be mostly in Pinyin, but also includes character dialogues and the like, and so seems to make more of an effort to teach characters than the FSI version. Whether or not the two versions of the course are identical I don't know, but it might be useful for Chinese learners working with the FSI course to take a look at the DLI version to compare and see whether or not it might offer any advantages in terms of the characters. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Normunds Pentaglot Groupie Switzerland Joined 5775 days ago 86 posts - 112 votes Speaks: Latvian*, French, English, Russian, German Studies: Mandarin, Indonesian | Message 7 of 8 07 January 2012 at 11:00am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for this link - I think there have been discussions around DLI here already, but it's always nice to have an extra link. And if someone looks for the audio of the course you point to - it's one level up, under directory Basic Course Audio.
FSI and DLI course are not the same. The closest is the first module that is based on the same "target sentences" (FSI) or "frames" (DLI). After that the materials diverge beyond any recognition. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| daristani Senior Member United States Joined 6955 days ago 752 posts - 1661 votes Studies: Uzbek | Message 8 of 8 07 January 2012 at 4:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks much for clarifying this question, Normunds. I'm sorry for my erroneous suggestion, but thanks to your comment, it seems clear that there are two separate, very extensive, and entirely free Mandarin courses available to learners who like this approach.
For those interested, all the "older generation" DLI Mandarin materials that have been made publicly available can be found here: http://jlu.wbtrain.com/sumtotal/language/DLI%20basic%20cours es/Chinese%20Mandarin/ Edited by daristani on 07 January 2012 at 4:25pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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