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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6936 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes  20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 17 of 19 07 January 2012 at 10:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
I would say that it was ridiculous during the Balkan Wars of the '90s and many ordinary Croats got tired of some of the loony things coming from the talking heads in linguistics departments and Sabor (e.g. making jokes such as letting the purist zrakomlat (for helikopter) acquire the sarcastic meaning of someone who likes to wave his/her arms in the air making a big stink about something as some extermists were doing when insisting that "true" Croats needed to adopt the new "Serbian-free" speak lest they eventually lose their "Croatianess" because of their existing language habits). Things have settled down somewhat since Tudjman died but every now and then you come across the occasional controversy (or even borderline stupidity) bubbling from the linguistic establishment. E.g. - Battle For Language Or Battle For Profits or the mountain out of molehill in 2005 pitting Croatian prescriptivists with their spelling manual just cleared of "Serbianisms" against Croatian descriptivists with their spelling manual still listing "Serbianisms". - Srpski jezik nije štokavski ('Serbian is not Štokavian' according to this interview in 2010 with the otherwise respectable Croatian linguist Radoslav Katičić. Scientific inquiry or thought experiments powered by nationalism ultimately don't end well, folks. I admit that the only Croatian linguists whom I respect are Anić, Kalogjera, Matasović, Pranjković, Škiljan, and to a large degree Kordić. The rest of them (e.g. Babić, Jonke, Kačić, Katačić, Moguš et al.) got too infected by exclusionary nationalism to offer something coherent or respectful of an outsider's intelligence).
Well, it's too late now. Oh, what could have been if the Illyrians and Vuk Karadžić had got off on the wrong foot and turned their backs on each other right after their first meeting. What could have been if Rijeka's Philological School had come to dominate the Illyrian movement's attitude toward standardization. On the other hand, if those guys from Rijeka had had a greater say, the current Croatian standard would look more like Slovenian and other Slavonic languages further north. At its worst the Croatian and Slovenian standards might have even come enough to the point where Croatian and Slovenian linguists would have been pitted against each other rather than Croatian and Serbian ones in arguing whether Slovenian is just a Croatian dialect or vice-versa even if the Croatian standard actually draws little from Kajkavian. Balkan academia just wouldn't be the same without some ethnically-tinged feuding going on. :-P 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4836 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 18 of 19 08 January 2012 at 11:57am | IP Logged | |||||
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" ko (S) ~ tko (C) "who" "
Maybe, kto? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6936 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 19 of 19 09 January 2012 at 4:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
If you're thinking that it's a typing error, it's not. The Croats learn to spell and use it as tko. It's probably from some dialect(s) which had exchanged the places of the 'k' and 't' (i.e. Proto-Slavonic *kъto > unnamed dialect(s) (?) *tъko) and then for some reason was adopted as standard and so the new mark of an "educated" Croat's speech) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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