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Emme
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 Message 313 of 439
23 September 2013 at 8:27pm | IP Logged 
fabriciocarraro wrote:

A parte questo, non vi ho raccontato dell'ultimo incontro di CouchSurfing! All'inizio era un po noioso veramente [oppure a dire il vero], perché era piovuto e credo che, a causa della pioggia, molta gente fosse rimasta a casa, e l'assoluta maggioranza di loro [della gente rimasta a casa?!? Credo tu intendessi dire dei presenti] fosse costituita da brasiliani. Verso le 9/10 è arrivata altra gente, ed io ho parlato in olandese con 3 belgi!!! Penso che questo sia un record di belgi allo stesso tempo in Brasile =P Comunque, è stato bellissimo! [oppure è andata benissimo!] =)

Inoltre, nel fine settimana ho studiato l'arabo come un pazzo. Ho ascoltato Michel Thomas in continuazione e ho trovato altri libri per continuare lo studio più in là nel tempo. Forse farò il mio primo video in arabo per il #add1challenge stasera.



Chiedi pure se le correzioni non sono chiare!

Edited by Emme on 23 September 2013 at 8:27pm

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fabriciocarraro
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 Message 314 of 439
26 September 2013 at 4:06pm | IP Logged 
@Emme Grazie mille, come sempre! =)

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ARABIC - العربية

I've been talking about Arabic a lot lately, haven't I? Well, that's probably because I've been studying it a lot as well!
I said that I wanted to study it at least 20 minutes a day, but I'm glad that for the past week I've been able to maintain a solid routine of study, with about 2/3 hours every single day! It's great when you're starting with a new language and you have the proper resources for it =) I'm almost finishing Michel Thomas, and I'll probably re-listen it later.

Yesterday I recorded my first attempt to speak Arabic for the #Add1Challenge. If you're an Arabic native, I'd appreciate any corrections! =)

Right now, I want a textbook to follow, but that's kind of hard for Egyptian Arabic, since it's "just" a dialect. I guess the best one I've found so far is "Kullu Tamaam!" and I'm already with it. I've seen some people recommending "Kalaam Gamiil" as well, and I wanted to take a look at it, but apparently they don't sell it here in Brazil...well...
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fabriciocarraro
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 Message 315 of 439
01 October 2013 at 6:14am | IP Logged 
Добрый вечер, мои друзья! Тут в Бразилии уже поздно, но я уже давно не пишу на русском и мне хочется о чём-то написать.

Когда ты начинаешь учить язык, который написан в разном алфавите, все интересное и новое, но, явно, ты еще не пишешь хорошо в новом алфавите. Я, в начале изучении русского языка, пробовал писать на русском, но в латинский алфавит. Я думаю, что это нормально даже между русскими, потому что моя жена часто отправляет сообщении и СМС маме и подругами в латинский алфавит, но мне не было просто понять то, что люди мне написали. С другой стороны, транслитерация между русским и английским (или португальским) достаточно регулярная и узнать слова возможно.

Сейчас, с начала #Add1Challenge, я учу египетский арабский, и мне это стало гигантической проблемой, потому что это не книжный язык, это разговорный диалект, и потому, нет регулярной транслитерации. К тому же, каждое слово на арабским написан на основе 3 буквы (обычно), и гласные посредине слов меняются всегда. Кроме того, в интернете они пишут на египетском арабском в латинском алфавите!!! Поэтому, поискать такие слова в Google практически невозможно!! Я схожу с ума когда мои новые египетские друзья мне пишут и я должен догадаться (или быстро поискать в словаре) слова, которые я ещё не знаю.

До сих пор, я думаю, что арабский самый трудный язык, который я учил.... но у меня есть ещё огромная мотивация, чтобы продолжать его изучение!
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Марк
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 Message 316 of 439
01 October 2013 at 10:09am | IP Logged 
fabriciocarraro wrote:
Добрый вечер, мои друзья! Тут в Бразилии уже поздно, но я уже
давно не пишу на русском и мне хочется о чём-то написать.

Когда ты начинаешь учить язык, который использует другой алфавит, все интересно и ново,
но, конечно, ты еще не можешь свободно ориентироваться в новом алфавите. Я в начале
изучения русского языка пробовал писать на русском, но латинским алфавитом. Я думаю,
что это нормально даже среди русских, потому что моя жена часто отправляет сообщения и
СМС маме и подругам на латинице, но мне было непросто понять то, что мне пишут. С
другой стороны, транслитерация между русским и английским (или португальским)
достаточно регулярная, и узнать слова возможно.

Сейчас, с начала #Add1Challenge, я учу египетский арабский, и мне это стало гигантской
проблемой, потому что это не письменный язык, это разговорный диалект, и потому нет
стандартной орфографии. К тому же, каждое слово на арабском написано на основе трёх
букв (обычно), и гласные посредине слов меняются всегда. Кроме того, в интернете они
пишут на египетском арабском латинским алфавитом!!! Поэтому найти такие слова в Гугле
практически невозможно!!! Я схожу с ума, когда мне пишут мои новые египетские друзья, а
я должен догадаться (или быстро найти в словаре) слова, которые я ещё не знаю.

До сих пор я думаю, что арабский - самый трудный язык, который я учил... но у меня есть
ещё огромная мотивация, чтобы продолжать его изучение!

Среди русских латиница используется чисто по техническим причинам, когда неудобно (или
невозможно) писать на кириллице. При этом мы пишем не в какой-то стандартной,
устоявшейся транслитерации, а как Бог на душу положит.
Поискать слова можно всегда, трудно найти!

Edited by Марк on 01 October 2013 at 10:12am

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fabriciocarraro
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 Message 317 of 439
04 October 2013 at 3:39pm | IP Logged 
@Марк Хаха да, правда, но это еще гораздо легче, чем транслитерация египетского арабского.
Найти! Точно! Спасибо!

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Salut!

Je crois que j'ai "laissé" le français un peu, depuis que j'ai commencé avec l'arabe. Ce n'est pas bon, mais je pense que j'avais besoin de me consacrer pleinement à l'arabe maintenant, pendant ce "défi".
Dans le dernier rencontre de CouchSurfing j'ai parlé un petit peu en français, mais il n'était pas idéal, parce qu'ils parlaient le portugais très bien, et voulaient le pratiquer.

Je voulais payer professeurs en Italki pour le français, l'holandais, l'arabe et même le russe, mais maintenant je n'ai pas beaucoup de temps libre à cause de mon travail et de le gym. Je hais le gym, mais en fait je peux dejà voir un peu la difference.
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Zireael
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 Message 318 of 439
04 October 2013 at 7:59pm | IP Logged 
fabriciocarraro wrote:
@Emme Grazie mille, come sempre! =)

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ARABIC - العربية

I've been talking about Arabic a lot lately, haven't I? Well, that's probably because I've been studying it a lot as well!
I said that I wanted to study it at least 20 minutes a day, but I'm glad that for the past week I've been able to maintain a solid routine of study, with about 2/3 hours every single day! It's great when you're starting with a new language and you have the proper resources for it =) I'm almost finishing Michel Thomas, and I'll probably re-listen it later.

Yesterday I recorded my first attempt to speak Arabic for the #Add1Challenge. If you're an Arabic native, I'd appreciate any corrections! =)

Right now, I want a textbook to follow, but that's kind of hard for Egyptian Arabic, since it's "just" a dialect. I guess the best one I've found so far is "Kullu Tamaam!" and I'm already with it. I've seen some people recommending "Kalaam Gamiil" as well, and I wanted to take a look at it, but apparently they don't sell it here in Brazil...well...


You're lucky. I don't think there's any textbooks for Yemeni Arabic.
On the other hand, I've noticed that the dialect my tutor spoke is basically MSA with wildly differing pronunciation, so...
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fabriciocarraro
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 Message 319 of 439
08 October 2013 at 4:02pm | IP Logged 
@Zireael Wow! Just a question, why Yemeni? Family reasons?

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So guys, I have great language news, I guess! Today a friend of my wife's arrived from Russia and she'll be living with us here in São Paulo for about 2 weeks, so yay! Free Russian practice! =D
I met her this morning, and unlike the last friend my wife's (that made me feel overwhelmed by how fast she spoke), this one speaks at a pretty normal pace, so that's even better!

Apart from that, I finished Michel Thomas Arabic and now I'm re-listening to some things that didn't stick. I'm not sure what to do, but I'll try to follow either "Kullu Tamaam!" or "Colloquial - Egyptian Arabic". Neither of them seem great though...
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fabriciocarraro
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 Message 320 of 439
22 October 2013 at 2:35pm | IP Logged 
So, 2 weeks have passed and my wife's friend is leaving this Wednesday apparently. Her stay wasn't as good as I thought it would be, at least language-wise. The girl is kind of shy and quiet, so we didn't talk that much. Also, I'm almost never at home, so that counts too.
The conversations we had were 90% in Russian and the rest in English, which is good, but it was mostly small-talk, like "Hey, if you're hungry there's food in the fridge" or "How was your day?" and this kinds of stuff.

Regarding Arabic, my grammar and vocabulary are improving, but I think I won't maintain it after the #Add1Challenge. It's a very interesting language, good to learn, but chatting in it is a BIG problem, since there aren't many Egyptians out there, and especially because I can't really chat in it, because there's no standards to transliteration, so when someone writes me a sentence and I don't know one or more words, I can't just put it into Google Translate or any dictionary, because it won't get it, since it's a dialect. The same if I want to write a sentence, I can't search for new words, only if I have a dictionary for the Egyptian dialect 24/7, and even so I might get a wrong option.

I pick my languages to be able to chat and talk to people, so not being able to do that is a big minus for me.

That being said, I'll finish the #Add1Challenge and learn as much as I can. I'll make some more videos in Arabic until the end of it. Then, I'll get back to Dutch and French, and if I feel like it, I'll start with German. I'm a little worried that it can get in the way of my Dutch, but I'm not sure how though.


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