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| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4947 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 89 of 758 29 February 2012 at 10:25pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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book2, about hotel booking. More questions than usual just because I feel more confident about this topic. As they say, you can't have a doubt when you actually don't know anything at all.
ერთადგილიანი ოთახი მჭირდება. I need a single room. What does -გილიანი stand for? I don't get how this word was composed to stand for single-room. ოთახი მინდა შხაპით. I would like a room with a shower. Is it also ok to say "ჩემი ოთახი მინდა შხაპით"? What about "ჩემი ოთახი უნდა შხაპით"? I just wanted to be more specific, and say "I need my room to have a shower", how would that be? კარგით, ავიღებ ამ ოთახს. Fine, I'll take the room. Is that expression კარგით (good in the instrumental) really used in this context? === Aronson's still on lesson 03 - What is the difference between saying შინ and სახლში? Also, is შინ more like an adverb than a noun? - I've come across the word გუშინდელი as in yesterday's exercise. Which type of word is it and how exactly is it formed? Are there similar words? For "tomorrow" it seems to be ხვალინდელი. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5245 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 90 of 758 29 February 2012 at 11:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
The word is made up of ერთ for "one", ადგილ for "place", and იანი, the adjective ending. I think maybe you were thinking it was ერთად, right?
Although we need our მასწავლებელი Murdoc to confirm, I don't think your examples would work. For "I need my room to have a shower", I would suggest საჭიროა რომ ჩემს ოთახს შხაპი აქვს.
კარგით is the polite form of კარგი, just like გამარჯობათ and გამარჯობა, although some Georgians say these forms are artificial and not strictly grammatical.
I think it's just a difference in meaning. The former means "at/to home" and the latter means "in/to the house".
And "today's" is დღევანდელი. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Murdoc Triglot Senior Member Georgia Joined 5035 days ago 113 posts - 208 votes Speaks: Georgian*, English, Russian | Message 91 of 758 01 March 2012 at 7:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
The sentence itself is correct and sounds ok but the meaning can vary depending where you put stress. So unless you put stress on "შხაპით", reading naturally it sounds more like: "I want to have my own room with shower.", putting the stress on "ჩემი ოთახი".
This sentence means: (He/She) wants my room with shower.
This would be: ჩემს ოთახს უნდა ჰქონდეს შხაპი or ოთახი მჭირდება შხაპით. or as Tixhiidon said:
but: საჭიროა რომ ჩემს ოთახს შხაპი ჰქონდეს. I don't why but that tense wouldn't work here in Georgian unlike English. ... შინ is only used in literary language and formal speech. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4947 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 92 of 758 01 March 2012 at 10:15pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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book2, still on hotels.
შხაპი არ მუშაობს. The shower isn't working. It it an accurate translation? Simple like that? ტელევიზორი გაფუჭებულია. &n bsp;The TV isn't working. Is this formed from a 2nd class verb? How is it formed? Would "to damage" be გაფუჭება? ეს ჩემთვის ძალიან ძვირია. That's too expensive. "ჩემთვის" is "for me", right? Is it common to use ჩემთვის instead of constructions such as "I think that..." Does it mean "in my opinion" or "according to my capacity to afford it"? At Aronson's I'm still doing the translation exercises from lesson 03. I'm seriously considering using a well-known Russian textbook, at least the dialogues. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5245 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 93 of 758 01 March 2012 at 10:58pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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Despite getting almost everything I told you yesterday wrong (!), I'll try to help
again today. გაფუჭებული is a perfect participle meaning "is broken". There are many many irregularities in how these are formed, but in this case (Class I verbs with ებ) it's quite straightforward. The verb is გააფუჭებს (to break). Remove the second ა, i.e. the theme vowel, and add ული to the end. That's all there is to it. So for example from გააწითლებს (to make something red) you get გაწითლებული (has turned red) and from ააშენებს (to build) you get აშენებული (is built). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Murdoc Triglot Senior Member Georgia Joined 5035 days ago 113 posts - 208 votes Speaks: Georgian*, English, Russian | Message 94 of 758 02 March 2012 at 9:32pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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Tixhiidon,
All you got wrong was one sentence :) Expugnator,
simple as that.
Here it means "according to my capacity to afford it" or simply "too expensive for me". ჩემთვის is not used for constructions such as "I think that..." "მე ვფიქრობ რომ" and more commonly "ჩემი აზრით" are used for that. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4947 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 95 of 758 02 March 2012 at 10:08pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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book2 - Restaurant
I'm starting to like those lessons even more. Vocabulary has proved to be very helpful: ერთი ლუდი, თუ შეიძლება. I'd like a beer. (one beer, please). Any clue about the ethimology for "ლუდი"? რძიან ყავას დავლევდი. I'd like a coffee with milk. I don't get the grammar of the sentence. Is დავლევდი imperfect? I expected to find the word for 'milk' at the instrumental, though it is adjectivized as რძიან(ი). Georgian: a Reading Grammar Struggling with the clumsy translations. I've given up on any attemps and am just having a brief look at the English translation. Then I compare it with the Georgian text and write down the Georgian. One interesting fact I attested is that even between quotations names and titles still get declined, like "მზიან ღამეს" which is a direct object. ავტორი means author and მწერილი means writer, right? They were used interchangeably somehow in the exercises (#33 and #34). 'Repeat' is გამეორება, with the word "two" in its root. Is there a different verb when you repeat something for the 3rd, 4th time? Or do you just say "repeat for the Xth time" even though the verb 'repeat' inherently carries the word "two" for its meaning? AND...Lesson Three is over. I did learn a little, I just didn't bother learning passive constructions in depth this time. Hope some serious, saintereso study is waiting for me in Lesson 04! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5039 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian | Message 96 of 758 02 March 2012 at 10:59pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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When you use the imperfect endings with the future form of the verb, that makes the conditional. :)
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