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Georgian Notes, Doubts and Tips TAC 2013

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 Message 369 of 758
23 August 2012 at 11:28pm | IP Logged 
Expugnator wrote:
You know, there's not much choice in terms of Georgian textbooks. He does covers some aspects in grammar in a more structured and vivid way than Aronson. Besides, it's far from being my only source for Georgian, as can be seem through this log. His Structural Grammar is quite extensive, so, overall, I forgive him hehe.


So I've heard unless you know Russian too. Apparently the choice of learning material then widens a bit.

All of this talk about Georgian has made me read a bit more about it but I wouldn't say that I'm considering dropping one of my current target languages for it. :-)
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 Message 370 of 758
23 August 2012 at 11:48pm | IP Logged 
Hehe I see you're more into finno-ugric languages which also need Russian!

Regarding Russian for Georgian materials, actually the ones that are widely (i.e. online) available are aimed mostly at beginners, and they tend to be much less extensive than Aronson's or Hewitt's Structural grammar. I'd say the most friendly language for a beginner is German, because then you get Abuladze's Lehrbuch der Georgischen Sprache with 33 lessons and audio and you get Tschenkéli's grammar and dictionary which are the most comprehensive ones. The best textbook in Russian is the Intensive Course by Nikolaishvili's and this one also got an English edition, though one can't find or order it. There's also Natadze and Tsibaxashvili and a few others that, even though they seem more user-friendly than Hewitt's, they'll just bring you slightly further than Kiziria's.

So, German is the language for enhancing your Georgian materials, it's no longer Russian =D
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 Message 371 of 758
24 August 2012 at 7:29pm | IP Logged 
პარასკევია და ძალიან დაღლილი ვარ. უკვე ვისწავლე ნიკოლაიშვილის გაკვეთილი და ჯერ კიდევ უნდა წავიკითხო ჰიუიტს გრამატიკა. ქართულის სწავლას შემდეგ მინდა ნორვეგიული ენა და ჯერ კიდევ ორი კურსი ვისდწავლო. ეს კურსები არ არის ენების შესახებ, მაგრამ ძალიან საინტერესო და მნიშვნელოვანია.

EDIT: I used the word 'დაღლილი' but I wonder if there's a 4th conjugation verb with the meaning "I'm tired", "You're tired" etc.?

Edited by Expugnator on 24 August 2012 at 7:29pm

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 Message 372 of 758
24 August 2012 at 8:04pm | IP Logged 
Now it's time for one more motivational sentence from Hewitt's:

თუ ეგრე ძნელია, არასოდეს არ უნდა დაგეწყო ქართული.
If it is as difficult as that, you should never have started Georgian

(What does he expect instead? That everyone studies Abkhazian?)
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 Message 373 of 758
24 August 2012 at 8:09pm | IP Logged 
Expugnator wrote:
Now it's time for one more motivational sentence from Hewitt's:

თუ ეგრე ძნელია, არასოდეს არ უნდა დაგეწყო ქართული.
If it is as difficult as that, you should never have started Georgian

(What does he expect instead? That everyone studies Abkhazian?)


Probably :)

http://lincom-shop.eu/shop/article_ISBN%2B9783895866708/LSG- %20%2003%3A-Abkhaz.html?pse=apq

Edited by onkel_xiaoma on 24 August 2012 at 8:13pm

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 Message 374 of 758
24 August 2012 at 9:03pm | IP Logged 
I really wonder if Hewitt continued his Georgia-bashing in his Abkhaz book...

Edited by onkel_xiaoma on 24 August 2012 at 9:04pm

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 Message 375 of 758
24 August 2012 at 9:24pm | IP Logged 
Definitely! An author who can't tell linguistics from politics.

Some sample sentences. I'm pasting only the English translations, but they all come from sentences in Abkhazian and are the way one is supposed to learn to speak Abkhazian, according to Hewitt's view.

"Your-MASC friend fought in opposition lo the Georgians. Now he is quaking in fear.
What has made him quake so much?"

"Far from getting them to understand what the Georgians are doing in Abkhazia, he could not even talk to the Americans,as they prefer ignorance'"

"Are the Georgians so intelligent as lo do that?"

This one is a footnote:

"Though the names of Ihe months in common usage are mostly borrowed from Russian and closely resemble their international equivalents, native terms have been (?re)introduced since Abkhazia gained its independence from Georgia on SO"* September 1993."
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 Message 376 of 758
24 August 2012 at 9:28pm | IP Logged 
No way! You also have the Abkhaz book? :)

I always wanted to buy it, but learning caucasian languages without audio is impossible for me (Maybe even with the audio in the case of Abkhaz).

What makes him hate on Georgia that much, one wonders...


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