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zecchino1991
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 Message 65 of 758
14 February 2012 at 2:28am | IP Logged 
Expugnator wrote:
book2 20

მყუდროდ მოეწყვეთ! - Make yourself comfortable.
Which tense is მოეწყვეთ?


Aorist. The verbs ending in ე (sometimes with person/number endings like the one above) are aorist. It is
used
for commands.

Expugnator wrote:

რას დალევთ?     What would you like to drink?
Is დალევთ future tense?


Yep.

Expugnator wrote:

Let me see if I understood something: when you use the optative for an invitation, in the sense of "Let's", you
may - or may not - add the მოდი(თ) (imperative?) before the optative. The optative, though, should always
be in the 1st plural - ჩვენ form, with ვ- and -თ, regardless whether you're calling that person შენ or თქვენ...Is
it so?


Yeah. Because you're saying "let's (we)..." You're referring to "us" not "you."

Edited by zecchino1991 on 14 February 2012 at 2:30am

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 Message 66 of 758
14 February 2012 at 3:11pm | IP Logged 
I've updated Anki and was planning on using it, but it is no longer supporting Georgian fonts. რა გავაკეთო, მეგობრებო?
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 Message 67 of 758
15 February 2012 at 9:07pm | IP Logged 
book2 22

მაგრამ ახლა აღარ ვეწევი. But I don't smoke anymore.
I see no word for 'not' at this sentence. Does აღარ translate as 'not anymore'?

Kiziria's 13 (I haven't skipped 12, just didn't have a specific doubt =D )

თქვენ ემილის წერილი გაუგზავნენ, არა? You sent a letter to Emily, didn't you?
I see that წერილი is the object and is in the nominative. But then why does Emily take an extra -s? Shouldn't there be a postposition attached to Emily?

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So, I finished Beginner's Georgian. I'm glad I've accomplished this task after so much uncertainty. I hope it at least took me from A1 to A2. I managed to learn the basics of the most used verbal tenses. I also got important vocabulary.

Now, I should decide what to do. I'm tempted to start Aronson, for which I've done two lessons previously but had little clue what I was doing. This time I browsed its page and it started to make sense. Not to mention there are several translation exercises which work very well for me, since I'm used to learning languages through Assimil.
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 Message 68 of 758
15 February 2012 at 10:21pm | IP Logged 
Expugnator wrote:
მაგრამ ახლა აღარ ვეწევი. But I don't smoke anymore.
I see no word for 'not' at this sentence. Does აღარ translate as 'not anymore'?


Yes, "not anymore" or "no longer".

Expugnator wrote:

თქვენ ემილის წერილი გაუგზავნენ, არა? You sent a letter to Emily, didn't you?
I see that წერილი is the object and is in the nominative. But then why does Emily
take an extra -s? Shouldn't there be a postposition attached to Emily?


Here, ემილის is the dative of ემილი. Since Emily is not a Georgian name, it is
considered as a noun ending in a vowel, and therefore the ი is not removed in the
dative. So, in the sentence, წერილი is the direct object in the nominative, and
ემილის is the indirect object in the dative, meaning "to Emily". By the way, it
should be გაუგზავნეთ.

EDIT: I think I'm right in saying that this sentence could also mean "You sent Emily's
letter to him, didn't you?", so it's an interesting example.

Expugnator wrote:

So, I finished Beginner's Georgian. I'm glad I've accomplished this task after so much
uncertainty. I hope it at least took me from A1 to A2. I managed to learn the basics of
the most used verbal tenses. I also got important vocabulary.

Now, I should decide what to do. I'm tempted to start Aronson, for which I've done two
lessons previously but had little clue what I was doing. This time I browsed its page
and it started to make sense. Not to mention there are several translation exercises
which work very well for me, since I'm used to learning languages through Assimil.


I think you will be surprised how clear Aronson seems to you now you've been through
Kiziria. Definitely give him a try as the next step.

Edited by TixhiiDon on 15 February 2012 at 10:29pm

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 Message 69 of 758
15 February 2012 at 10:25pm | IP Logged 
I agree, I tried Aronson a while ago and thought it was very complicated. But once I went through Kiziria
again, it makes perfect sense. They complement each other very well!
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 Message 70 of 758
16 February 2012 at 8:37pm | IP Logged 
Quote:
I think I'm right in saying that this sentence could also mean "You sent Emily's
letter to him, didn't you?"


It could but, verb "გაგზავნეთ" requires that there should be indirect object in the sentence to show who is the letter being sent to, like: "თქვენ მას ემილის წერილი გაუგზავნეთ, არა?"


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 Message 71 of 758
23 February 2012 at 8:21pm | IP Logged 
I'm back from a short trip to Europe, and now it is time to go back to Georgian. I'm giving Aronson a go. Even though lessons are long, there are so many translating exercises that I think I will have enough practice.

Today's book2 was demanding. It was a lesson on speaking foreign languages. I didn't take notes not to get overwhelmed, but I'd return to it later.

I read Aronson's lesson 02 but didn't start the exercises yet. It's clear now even though there are some details. I don't remember seeing the conditional at the Kiziria's book, only optative, but it is no big deal.

I think I'm doing reverse exercises, that is, from English to Georgian, and not the way they are proposed. Will keep the Assimil approach.
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 Message 72 of 758
24 February 2012 at 7:22pm | IP Logged 
One more lesson from book2. I'm having more difficulty following the lessons, as conversations get more complicated and I don't always manage to understand how sentences are formed.

As for Aronson's, I started doing exercises from Lesson 02 the reverse way, trying to translate English to Georgian. It's been a bit frustrating though, 'coz most of the times I don't know the vocabulary, and when I do, I'm still unsure about the word order. So, I end up looking up the Georgian text before I finish doing the translation mentally, and the exercise ends up as just a transcription exercise.

I really miss a textbook like Kiziria's with a couple more lessons. I feel I was more motivated when I learned actual conversational sentences as I learned the grammar as well. I don't know what to do, maybe I should retake Hewitt's from where I stopped (lesson 4)? I would like to hear the advice from you guys experienced learners.

Edited by Expugnator on 24 February 2012 at 7:29pm



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