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Hekje
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 Message 873 of 1511
24 September 2013 at 6:23pm | IP Logged 
Haha, super.

I wonder if Frank Turner is motivated to speak Dutch because of his friendships with Dutch people. (He mentioned
in the video that at least a couple friends had helped translate.) If so, that's pretty awesome! That's how things
should be. :-)
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 Message 874 of 1511
24 September 2013 at 7:38pm | IP Logged 
That sort of stuff goes down a treat with the audience. I think that's the reason -
Frank
Turner has his e-mail address publically stated on his website and spends a lot of time
answering fanmail, personally interacting with his audience. If things add to the fan-
band interaction (which is a common thing in punk/rock/metal music, there's a very DIY
attitude) then he will put in the effort to do it. But he has also done it for French
(which is a language he learned, but has somewhat forgotten I think). He actually went
to
Eton (where he was in the same year as Prince William), but he dropped out. He also did
LSE where he read history.

Maybe it's because he's also fairly cultured and thinks this sort of thing is important
to do. When I saw him, he also said thanks in Dutch after songs. And it is also
Amsterdam - usually Amsterdam is a great place to do music shows.

Edited by tarvos on 24 September 2013 at 7:39pm

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Hekje
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 Message 875 of 1511
24 September 2013 at 10:37pm | IP Logged 
He seems like a really nice dude. I do hope that more musicians follow his lead.

Small side note - after reading your original post about Frank Turner, my mind immediately jumped to
"Door Jou" by Jim Bakkum, which is a Dutch
translation/revamp of a Spanish song called "Azul".

Buut after your last post, I see the situations are obviously quite different. I mean, number one, Jim Bakkum is
Dutch, so it's not as surprising that he would translate a song into that language. But more importantly, Frank
Turner's translation does seem like it's coming from a place of culture or is a gesture toward world citizenship or
something, whereas Jim Bakkum's pop music basically rides on the fact that he is sort of like a Dutch Ashton
Kutcher who sings.

I don't know. The contrast made me smile. In any case, I enjoy lyric translations into Dutch. :-P
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 Message 876 of 1511
24 September 2013 at 10:54pm | IP Logged 
Hahaha Jim Bakkum. I remember the days he was on our version of Idols. Man that is long
ago. He lost, too, came in second... I wonder whatever happened to that singer that won
first place, he did a single but he never catapulted after that (I also remember he was
gay). He was called Jamai I think? Jim Bakkum has been in a lot of places but all the
stuff he frequents is the type of Dutch pop culture I try my best to avoid like the
plague.

I haven't met Frank Turner personally but he does give off a vibe that I personally
like. However I've seen tons of punk and metal shows and doing the Dutch greeting thing
only happens for a couple of bands. Some people do it because they're cool (like
Frank), and some actually have a connection to the country. For example, there's a prog
rock/folk band from England called Mostly Autumn that do a yearly Christmas gig in the
town where I went to high school, and there's a band from Liverpool called Anathema who
have a band member who lives in the Netherlands and speaks fluent Dutch. I also
remember I went to a show once on Sinterklaas Eve, it was some emo/punk/rock whatever
gig and the singer had one of those cone bags with kruidnoten which he threw into the
audience...

I think we've had some adaptations of foreign songs into Dutch, but not many. We're not
that popular. And the downside to us is that we're probably the foreign nation most
likely to understand English, aside from the Scandies.




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 Message 877 of 1511
25 September 2013 at 3:23pm | IP Logged 
tarvos wrote:
[...] we're probably the foreign nation most
likely to understand English, aside from the Scandies.

And I think that is really key!

Given how little English the average Italian speaks, in concerts held here it’s become really common for international acts to greet and thank the public in Italian. But such interaction with the audience sounds so forced that to my ears it’s not charming but fake. And the fact that the snippet where the artist mumbles something in Italian is usually the only one chosen to be shown in the news whenever such concerts are covered by the media only compounds to my annoyance.

But I’ve watched the video you linked and I understand why you say Frank Turner gives off a vibe you like. He looks like someone who’s genuinely enjoying his rapport with the public and he is truly having fun performing his song even in a language not his own.

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 Message 878 of 1511
25 September 2013 at 3:29pm | IP Logged 
Yeah, and also, it's not just mumbling a thank you, but translating a WHOLE SONG and
trying to sing it.
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 Message 879 of 1511
25 September 2013 at 5:17pm | IP Logged 
Oh my, this Anathema? What a surprise.

tavros wrote:
I think we've had some adaptations of foreign songs into Dutch, but not many.

Hmm, not many?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8IFWcQoptE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNq-KQVMY04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTDV2Lcijxo
If you mean versions by the "original" artists, then true, it's extremely rare.

Btw., if we already talk about music - can you recommend some harder sounds in Dutch? It's extremely hard to find any kind of rock/metal in Dutch. One of the humble exceptions is this song: http://vimeo.com/37913836

Edited by prz_ on 25 September 2013 at 5:35pm

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 Message 880 of 1511
25 September 2013 at 7:43pm | IP Logged 
tarvos wrote:
Hahaha Jim Bakkum. I remember the days he was on our version of Idols. Man that is long ago. He
lost, too, came in second... I wonder whatever happened to that singer that won first place, he did a single but he
never catapulted after that (I also remember he was gay). He was called Jamai I think? Jim Bakkum has been in a lot
of places but all the stuff he frequents is the type of Dutch pop culture I try my best to avoid like the plague.

Hahaha yeah I know. For a second I was like, "Totally, I too am above that kind of pop culture", but then I suddenly
remembered that the new "international" season of Boer Zoekt Vrouw just came out this month and internally
freaked. Soo obviously I am not.

Back on the topic of song lyric translations though - I have translated songs into Dutch myself for kicks, but I'm
sure my translations are quite awkward-sounding so I haven't posted any. Maybe one of these days.


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