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Arnaud25
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 Message 1289 of 1317
19 June 2015 at 12:55pm | IP Logged 
I don't think Renaud is cynical. He's part of an old french tradition of left wing, anarchist and realist singers. You can find similar texts from François Béranger (now fallen into oblivion but still on YouTube :)), Léo Ferré, Lavillier, and many more.
In the same vein, you can also listen to comic sketches of Coluche.

Of course, Renaud occupies a special place in the heart of French because he knew so well use the slang and popular language used in the 70's and 80's in a poetic manner. I don't know if young people listen to him, now.


Edited by Arnaud25 on 19 June 2015 at 1:34pm

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emk
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 Message 1290 of 1317
20 June 2015 at 12:51pm | IP Logged 
Arnaud25 wrote:
I don't think Renaud is cynical. He's part of an old french tradition of left wing, anarchist and realist singers. You can find similar texts from François Béranger (now fallen into oblivion but still on YouTube :)), Léo Ferré, Lavillier, and many more.
In the same vein, you can also listen to comic sketches of Coluche.

Merci pour les recommandations ! Je vais les écouter.

Mais si je ne peux pas dire que Renaud est « cynique », je ne sais pas décrire un texte comme :

Quote:
La Terre peut s'arrêter d'tourner,
Ils rat'ront pas leur réveillon;
Moi j'voudrais tous les voir crever,
Étouffés de dinde aux marrons.

Etre né sous l'signe de l'hexagone,
On peut pas dire qu'ca soit bandant
Si l'roi des cons perdait son trône,
Y'aurait 50 millions de prétendants.

Oui, Renaud est peut-être gauchiste et « réaliste », mais j'ai pas vraiment l'impression qu'il aime trop le peuple. Passer un moment entre amis pour le réveillon, c'est pas une question de justesse ou de moralité. Parfois, une petite fête peut améliorer la vie, même si la fête est très banale.

Je ne veux pas dire que je n'apprécie pas Renaud. Un petit peu de cynisme peut être marrant[1], et il a écrit de la très bonne musique.

[1] C'est un peu comme le pessimisme, sur lequel Chesterton a écrit « Insincere pessimism is a social accomplishment, rather agreeable than otherwise; and fortunately nearly all pessimism is insincere. »

Cool stuff from yesterday

Les Gardiens de la galaxie and Iron Man 3 (Canal+ via Francophone TV, Friday). These were pretty challenging for dubbed movies—it took me a good 20 minutes to fully tune into Gardiens, after which I understood 90+%. I also watched the beginning of Iron Man 3, but I was busy with other stuff as well, and I never did manage to tune in completely. The dubbing of both films was perfectly acceptable.

Jason Brice, tome 2. The occult mystery continues! This has plenty of scenes of old-fashioned England, complete with opium dens and all the stage dressing you'd expect. Volume 1 could almost be read standalone, but volume 2 continues the story and ends on a cliffhanger.

L'Expérience mort, tome 1. This is a fun BD about a project which attempts to travel beyond death. The art really carries the story here—it begins with the barque of Ra, suddenly glowing at night in a museum, and continues with high-tech machinery for passing beyond our world. I'm re-reading this preparation for reading volume 2, which I picked up in Montréal.

Le livre du jour, podcast. This is a short daily segment about a book. If you like non-fiction (or mainstream fiction?), it's worth a listen.

Online:

WebAssembly : les géants du net s’associent pour booster le web
5 adaptations de romans SF et fantasy en série TV
Quand le QR Code d'une bouteille de ketchup renvoie sur du porno
Top 20 des chats qui aimeraient bien qu’on leur ouvre, ça fait une heure que j’attends bordel !

It's amazing how much French media I can enjoy in a day without making any particular effort other than to turn on the TV occasionally. But for this to happen, I need to have a wide range of fresh and appealing French media everywhere. As usual, Khatzumoto figured this out long before I did. :-)

And it always amazes me how much difference it makes to get engrossed in a movie or a book. My comprehension always jumps after a while, even now.

A mailing list for cool French media?

I'm still thinking about creating a mailing list which sends out cool links in French a couple of times per day, in hopes of tempting readers to enjoy more media in French. Perhaps new subscribers could begin with a series of emails explaining how to use television and books starting from a lower-intermediate level, and I could introduce them to Izneo, Amazon.fr, the French web, and so on.

I run into so many people who want to improve their French but who don't know how. They can often more-or-less read a newspaper article or understand some easy conversation, but they've been stuck at that level for a long time with no idea how to progress. And yet, most of them are at a level where progression via native media is rapid and fun, and they just don't know how to do it.
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Arnaud25
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 Message 1291 of 1317
20 June 2015 at 1:51pm | IP Logged 
emk wrote:

Oui, Renaud est peut-être gauchiste et « réaliste », mais j'ai pas vraiment l'impression qu'il aime trop le peuple. Passer un moment entre amis pour le réveillon, c'est pas une question de justesse ou de moralité. Parfois, une petite fête peut améliorer la vie, même si la fête est très banale.

Je ne veux pas dire que je n'apprécie pas Renaud. Un petit peu de cynisme peut être marrant[1], et il a écrit de la très bonne musique.
En fait, la chanson a été écrite dans les années 75, il faut la replacer dans son contexte historique: l'après Mai 68. Ce que Renaud fustige, ce n'est pas le peuple dans son entier, c'est une partie du peuple: la France petite bourgeoise et raciste des années De Gaulle/Pompidou (symbolisé aussi par le "beauf" de Cabu), et il faut aussi tenir compte qu'il était jeune et exprimait sa révolte contre la société.
Plus tard, avec son succès médiatique, il s'assagira un peu et deviendra lui-même un petit bourgeois de gauche.
Pour la fête, je crois qu'il n'était pas le dernier, il a toujours eu un petit penchant pour l'alcool et les soirées bien arrosées. Tous ces fans savent que quand sa femme le quittera, il tombera dans un alcoolisme pathologique, au point qu'il en perdra sa voix.
Ce qui est amusant, c'est que ce matin justement, il y avait un article du Parisien qui parlait de lui car il a écrit un nouvel album, ce que ces fans attendaient depuis des années. Une étrange coïncidence.
End of the highjacking of your log :)

Edited by Arnaud25 on 20 June 2015 at 1:54pm

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tastyonions
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 Message 1292 of 1317
20 June 2015 at 2:25pm | IP Logged 
Dans sa chanson "Les Bobos" Renaud écrit : "Ma plume est un peu assassine / Pour ces gens que je n’aime pas trop / Par certains côtés j’imagine / Que je fais aussi partie du lot." :-)
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patrickwilken
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 Message 1293 of 1317
20 June 2015 at 6:36pm | IP Logged 
emk wrote:
A mailing list for cool French media?


Sounds like a great idea.

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numerodix
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 Message 1294 of 1317
20 June 2015 at 10:00pm | IP Logged 
+1 for the mailing list!

I don't know how many natives I've asked for media recommendations, but people never know what
to tell me, they're embedded in it already, take it for granted.
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PeterMollenburg
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 Message 1295 of 1317
21 June 2015 at 2:08am | IP Logged 
emk your log and other input on this forum is endlessly helpful and resourceful. I'd be only too grateful of any
mailing list should it go ahead. Thanks in advance :)
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geoffw
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 Message 1296 of 1317
21 June 2015 at 4:08pm | IP Logged 
emk wrote:


La Zone du Dehors, by Alain Damasio. Alain Damasio is the one French science fiction author I've never
quite been about to handle. His La Horde du Contrevent is the single most difficult French book I own,
including my copy of Montaigne's Essays written with the original spelling. So I decided to take a shot at an
easier Damasio book. This one is about a conformist society on one of the moons of Saturn, one where
totalitarianism has become seductive and easy and barely noticeable. Here, the Dehors "Outside" of the moon
represents freedom and individuality. So far, this is a lot easier than Contrevent, but still fairly poetic. It's
going to be a lot of work to finish this, and I'll have to work to find the time. Also, I'm running an unknown word or
two page, which is really high for me, but certainly not for a Damasio book!
...
I've been thinking about setting up an email list for intermediate and advanced French students, which sends out
an email or two per day with something cool to read or watch in French. (Sort of like that AJATT immersion email
list, but with far more interesting French content, because the AJATT list was just awful.)

Again, if people enjoy these French media summaries, please let me know, and I'll try to post them more regularly.
You can post, or vote if that's easier.


Thanks so much for telling us about your troubles with Contrevent. I had previously checked it (for free, using
amazon's preview) out based on your recommendation and within the first page decided that this proved I was not
ready for real French books. (When I've read fiction in French since then, I've stuck to translations from English.) I
feel a bit better knowing that they're not all like this.

I like hearing your thoughts on French books and other media, so count me as one vote in favor of such an email.


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