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 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5312 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes  Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 209 of 1317 24 August 2012 at 3:20am | IP Logged | |||||
Il y'en a beaucoup dans le film « Stargate ». En voilà une image : Daniel Jackson traduit des hiéroglyphes (en) Une explication (en) L'histoire (en) Ici, Daniel corrige une traduction et il dit : « Must have used Budge. I don't know why they keep reprinting his books. Hopelessly out of date… ». Dans le film, on peut voir le mot « rnp.t » en hiéroglyphes.
Honestly, I haven't quite yet figured out how to explain this thought. It's still only half-formed, and some of it is a little too personal for a public log. Unlike some people, my personality is the same in both languages. This isn't too surprising, since I'm mostly interacting with the same people. But French isn't a hobby language for me, that I pick up and put down as needed. (That's what I have Egyptian for.) Like the Montreal anglophones mentioned above, it's crept into who I am. I use it at home, and I drift into it when I'm all alone and my mind is still. And that's a very intimate thing. I want French to be a permanent and major part of my life. Culturally, I don't do fine French films, fancy French foods, or any of the other things that Americans associate with French culture. Well, except for the cheeses and the crepes and the Calvados and the salted caramel from Brittany. If you look at my bookshelves, there's a lot of stuff about the larger Francophonie there— Persepolis and Immigrants and MC Solaar and the history of Quebec. For whatever reason, this is some of the most fascinating stuff that I've read in French. Or, to approach it from another direction: I'm a voracious reader. I live among words. Long-term, the breakdown of those words has to change in a very drastic way, especially if I want to reach a high level of French while living in an English-speaking country. But I have no intention of giving up English. I'm sort of wandering around the periphery of the real issues here. Maybe I'll be able to explain it better someday. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5171 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 210 of 1317 24 August 2012 at 5:04am | IP Logged | |||||
This has been my favorite part of learning French and living in France - getting to learn about the culture and the people that doesn't conform to our stereotypes. Going out through On Va Sortir, doing conversation classes for a computer science school, and working in ZEP schools while au pairing in Neuilly-sur-Seine has allowed me to meet a wide variety of people and experience a lot of things that one wouldn't associate with Paris and France. I get frustrated a lot, actually, by ex-pat writers who just relay the same old stereotypes - either they just really don't get around or they consciously play to their audience's preconceptions of the French. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5312 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 211 of 1317 24 August 2012 at 6:16am | IP Logged | |||||
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Aïe ! La 24ème leçon d'Assimil : L'Égyptien hiéroglyphique était trop
difficile. Elle a présenté l'infinitif, le progressif, l'équivalent de "tandis que" et huit nouveaux mots de vocabulaire—et elle a fait tout ça en deux phrases. Et Assimil veut que je comprenne cette leçon à l'oral ? Berk ! J'ai passé une heure à apprendre ça.
Plus de « apprentissage intuitif », s'il vous plaît, et moins de force brute. Il m'arrive parfois d'avoir ces problèmes avec Assimil. Mais à part ça, c'est un très bon cours. Même si j'ai du mal avec cette leçon, je peux la comprendre après seulement 24 jours. En fait, je pense que j'ai déjà compris des textes plus difficiles que ceux de ma quatrième année de latin.
I never really bought into that stereotypical image of France. Personally, my recommended annual allowance of films d'art et d'essai is about 2 per year, I have no real interest in nouvelle cuisine, and I like Paris best in small doses. In fact, the whole concept of "high culture" leaves me horribly uninspired. There are a vast number of things which I do adore about France, and some of them are touristy enough: the Mont Saint Michel, the stupid movies like Taxi, the surprisingly good bandes dessinées, the the coastline of Brittany, the vibrant immigrant cultures, the little crêperies, the kind people—the list goes on and on. It's a great country. But it's not the country which appears in those weird francophile books like Bringing Up Bébé. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5171 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 212 of 1317 24 August 2012 at 6:30am | IP Logged | |||||
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That's what I loved about the TV5 Monde channel. Not so much films d'art et d'essai, a lot of films that aren't even released here including some that are just merely popular. I rented some B-movies as well while in France and it's fun seeing their low culture. And for some real low culture try their reality TV - my "favorites" were L'Amour est dans le pré and Qui veut epouser mon fils.
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4608 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 213 of 1317 24 August 2012 at 4:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
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A little French gem that surprised us was the town of Bayeux. There is the tapestry, mais
oui, a cliché but still unmissable, but then check out the little town itself. Hard to describe but just beautiful. And coming early, tired and hungry from the ferry, we found that the only open café served English-style breakfast, but with typical French panache. Formidable! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5312 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 214 of 1317 24 August 2012 at 5:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
It really is a pretty little town. Here are some sites with photos: The canal The mill We saw the tapestry in the new, climate-controlled museum under dim lights. And I read that during World War II, someone cleverly pointed out to the Germans that the tapestry was about a successful "Arayan" Norman invasion of England. The Germans became quite protective of it after that… If you're into old sailing ships, it's also worth checking out Rochefort, which has some really cool stuff: - La Corderie Royale made giant ropes for the navy - The Hermione is one of the most spectacular wooden ships in the world. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| numerodix Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6563 days ago 856 posts - 1226 votes Speaks: EnglishC2*, Norwegian*, Polish*, Italian, Dutch, French Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin | Message 215 of 1317 26 August 2012 at 1:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Bonjour emk,
Est-ce que t'arrive qu'après une periode pendant laquelle tu n'as pas écouté le français il te faut te réchauffer pour retrouver de nouveau ta compréhension de la langue parlée? Il y a quelques semaines que j'étais tellement synchronisé avec la langue que je n'avais quasi du tout (quasi pas du tout?) des problèmes de comprendre quoi que ce soit. Puis je suis allè en vacances pendant une semaine et après je me suis retrouvé dans la circonstance, comme auparavant, de ne pas réussir à suivre bien une émission. Puis j'ai fait deux heures d'un spectacle sur youtube et maintenant je le comprend bien de nouveau. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5312 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 216 of 1317 27 August 2012 at 5:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
FR:
Oui. J'ai souvent besoin d'un ou deux épisodes de Buffy pour « réchauffer » mon français. Je pense que c'est normal. Et fait, j'ai une théorie à ce sujet, mais d'abord il faut que je apprenne les mots français pour « memory recall speed » et « priming », et je ne peux pas passer ce matin à lire Wikipedia.fr. :-) EN: I sent my wife an email in hieroglyphs this morning. Your grammatical corrections, as always, are extremely welcome. :-) EGY: 
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