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| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5134 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes  Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 33 of 713 11 April 2012 at 8:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
Great idea by the way! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6382 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 34 of 713 11 April 2012 at 9:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Wow! Sounds wonderful and I'm definitely in, but not sure with which language :D
Do football matches count? :) (they're 90 mins) What about LR? I suppose the most logical choice for me would be Portuguese, but I kinda want to do Italian or even Polish, Danish, good old German... why the "just one language" rule? :P 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6382 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 35 of 713 11 April 2012 at 9:51pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I suggest counting TL subtitles as reading, like for Tadoku. otherwise it's theoretically possible to watch 100 "films" without ever hearing your TL. how is that gonna help your listening comprehension? :D
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5119 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 36 of 713 11 April 2012 at 10:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Football matches definitely count, provided there actually is a decent amount of talking, and not just grunting while they kick the ball around :-) I must admit that my experience with fotball matches is extremely limited, bordering on non existant, but there usually is some very talkative guy commenting, right?
As for counting films with subtitles as books, you are right that in principle that would make more sense, but for simplicity's sake, I think we just stick to having films as films, whether they are in target language or just with TL subtitles. The reason why I wanted to make it count was because it may be difficult, bordering on impossible for some of us to get sufficient films in the target language, and I am sure that people will chose films in TL if they can. 90 minutes of LR could count as a film, just like audiobooks and podcasts - or you could chose to have it as part of a book. If it is a book you are reading. If it is just short texts I throw in the towel :-). Edited by Solfrid Cristin on 11 April 2012 at 10:49pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5551 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 37 of 713 11 April 2012 at 10:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
I want to do this. And without manga. *_* 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6382 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 38 of 713 11 April 2012 at 10:51pm | IP Logged | |||||
BTW if a book has like 75-99 pages, can I just reread the needed number of pages and count it as one book? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| geoffw Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4473 days ago 1134 posts - 1865 votes Speaks: English*, German, Yiddish Studies: Modern Hebrew, French, Dutch, Italian, Russian | Message 39 of 713 11 April 2012 at 10:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
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So it looks like the "easy" part of SuperChallenge(TM) is essentially equal to 100 units of 90 (or more) minutes of
listening to the TL, for about 150 hours, or in practice likely more like 200 hours, making for a rate of 10 hours per month. How long do people expect to need to finish a book in a TL where you are probably about B1 for reading (I think by definition you can't really read a book if your reading skills aren't at least around B1). In theory, "understanding contemporary literary prose" falls under B2, but I assume we're all going to be stretching and using a lot of dictionaries, L-R, and reading translations that we've read in other languages already for the first bit. I'd assume a minimum of 1 minute per page (very fast, and probably only towards the end of the challenge) and a maximum of 10 minutes per page (very slow, and probably only towards the beginning when it's still hard to read for at least gist without a dictionary). If we assume it averages out to 3-4 minutes per page overall, at 200 pages a book (seems average to me), we're talking 10-12 hours for a book, or 1000-1200 hours reading = 50-60 hours per month. I think that's possible, but a bit of a stretch. Getting it down to 1 minute a page overall and assuming only 100 pages per book gives us a much more practical 10,000 minutes total = 500 minutes per month = 8.5 hours per month. Food for thought. That's what makes it the "Super" Challenge! 9 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6382 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 40 of 713 11 April 2012 at 11:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
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LR doesn't really do any stretching other than forcing you to read faster, without necessarily understanding. And with these additional tools it's possible to read even at A1 :P
Also, there's nothing wrong with children's books and graded readers:) Would AJATT-style reading be ok? Basically just reading randomly, not in the "correct" order. I'm thinking of doing a proper challenge in Italian and random in German. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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