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| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4970 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 33 of 256 23 July 2012 at 11:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I also learned a lot of new kanji before I really had a use for them. I bet other people at your level of Japanese will be shocked that you know so much though lol. I know they are with me. Number of Kanji learned is often used as a benchmark for the amount of Japanese you know it seems.
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| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4451 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 34 of 256 24 July 2012 at 9:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'm glad I cranked up the kanji pace (even at the expense of memrise). Now when I see (for example) the kanji close up PDFs from JPOD101 I recognise almost all of them and they're beginning to stick (as vocab) without any real effort, just through exposure.
I'll have to remember to keep my mouth shut so as not to spoil that impression then :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4487 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 35 of 256 25 July 2012 at 3:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Who cares what other people think? ;) Just keep at it. It works for you, so that's a great thing. You also seem to have fun with it, and that's even better. Now it's only a matter of persistence and time.
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| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4970 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 36 of 256 25 July 2012 at 11:57pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't really care what other people think but it's kind of a pain explaining to them how I know the meanings
of nearly 2k kanji and how to draw them but not the sounds or necessarily any vocabulary words that they're used in and well it just confuses the hell out of people. Which creates more work for me. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4487 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 37 of 256 26 July 2012 at 3:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Yeah, seems backward, right? That's why it felt wrong in many ways for me to go this route. However, my main goal was always oral fluency first, literacy was never at such a high priority. I find I'm also stronger in this department by default, because writing doesn't have sound, and the sound of Japanese is what fascinates me. But people are different, and everyone has to find their own way to progress.
dampingwire seems to have found it. I needed roughly one year to realize what was going on :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4451 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 38 of 256 26 July 2012 at 11:30pm | IP Logged | |||||
I started out with the idea that I'd avoid all the "difficulties" of Kanji by just concentrating on spoken Japanese. I quickly learned that to remember things I had to write something down (it just seems to be the way my mind works). That led to the speedy realisation that roumaji just doesn't cut it (whichever form I picked ... :-)). So i had to learn the kana at least. By the time I'd done that I'd been bitten by the writing systems bug and one thing lead to another ... Probably just as well as I've decided to aim for N5 this December (just to gauge where I am) and that means knowing some kanji readings. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4487 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 39 of 256 27 July 2012 at 5:37am | IP Logged | |||||
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There's nothing wrong with learning all the Kanji first. Wish I had an USB port somewhere in my neck, to avoid the pain of learning them all.
If not for the Kanji, I'd take the N2 right now, but my Kanji skills drag me down closer to a level around N4. That's a bit sad ^^ but not the end of the world for me. I always envy the type of learner who fell in love with the writing system, even to a degree where they sis down and write them down by hand and enjoy the process. I can't do that. I need to feel the sounds flowing, I want to listen to it all day long, but I can't hear the sounds while reading. I actually find it pretty cool to watch you progress and actually surpass me in the literacy department. Reminds me that one size never fits us all :) Edited by atama warui on 27 July 2012 at 5:37am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| rewire Groupie United States learninglane.tumblr.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4333 days ago 82 posts - 90 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 40 of 256 27 July 2012 at 7:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
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It is pretty interesting to see all the different learning styles! I'd started out
focusing largely on kanji, figuring the more I knew the easier I could read, and the more I read, the easier I'd pick up new things (since that was how I had learned a lot of English vocabulary, and I've always enjoyed reading). So during my college period, I had a more expansive amount of kanji-literacy, but ironically it didn't help me actually read. I've switched to more focus on speech/listening, and have ended up noticing more improvement in my reading naturally, which then does actually feed back to helping my speaking, and so on. Everything seems to have to be connected for me, or it doesn't really stick. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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