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| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6010 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written) | Message 1 of 34 21 July 2012 at 1:14am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Does anyone know of any websites or links who compare the percentages of shared vocabulary between Slavic languages? I have been combing the internet trying to find this info and I have been unsuccessful.
I am aware there is a brief table on this site but I was looking for something a little more comprehensive. Note that I'm not talking "mutual intelligibility" because I know that subject has been beaten to death with several threads here. I'm more interested in pure shared vocabulary. THANKS! 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Julie Heptaglot Senior Member PolandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6684 days ago 1251 posts - 1733 votes 5 sounds Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, GermanC2, SpanishB2, Dutch, Swedish, French | Message 2 of 34 21 July 2012 at 1:53am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I don't know if that's of any use for you but I've got data concerning the lexical
proximity between Ukrainian and other Slavic languages (based on Mańczak 1985). Mańczak argued that one should compare vocabulary in parallel texts and not in dictionaries because otherwise the similarity of the most frequent words is underestimated (so he calculated all instances a given word, if I recall corectly). I don't have any percentages, just numbers of words (probably of those in the texts that Mańczak compared; I don't have the original book, sorry). So it's Ukrainian vs.: Belorussian - 469 Russian - 386 Polish - 372 Slovak - 313 Czech - 309 Serbo-Croatian - 296 Bulgarian - 283 Upper Sorbian - 247 Lower Sorbian - 205 Slovenian - 203 I'm pretty sure I've seen some percentages for various pairs of Slavic languages somewhere on the Internet, though. 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6010 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written) | Message 3 of 34 21 July 2012 at 3:43am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I wonder if it might be common words out of 500 words?? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6937 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 4 of 34 21 July 2012 at 5:16am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Here's something that I found here to use as a starting point.
Note though that it uses lexicostatistics which faces methodological criticisms among linguists, and if I recall correctly it relies on rather small samples derived from the Swadesh lists. I think that part of the problem when looking for solely a quantitative representation of similarity within the group, one's conclusion on the degree of similarity can be affected by the register or subject used for the languages in question. One could affect the conclusion by straining to devise the texts so that they use cognates when different words (with the same meaning) would be acceptable or even stylistically more frequent. I touched on this problem in this thread.
Perhaps as a bit of an experiment, we could ask the other Slavs of the forum to translate lior neth's text about shopping by referring to an English version (not from the Czech, Polish or Slovak version lest it contaminate those Slavs translation by providing hints to possible cognates in their respective native languages for each of their translations. Then we could begin comparing the results. Here's the reference text of the above in English: Shopping. If one needs or hankers for something and has money, one goes shopping. One may go shopping by car, bus or train in cases where the shop is far away. One will shop at the store or in a shopping center because there are more shops in one place. Coins and banknotes are the usual forms of money. If one doesn't have money, then one can ask a friend for a loan. If one is over 18 years of age, then he/she can buy Polish vodka and cigarettes. However one cannot buy marijuana because in Poland a store selling narcotics is illegal. 7 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Vārds Bilingual Diglot Newbie Latvia Joined 4691 days ago 24 posts - 41 votes Speaks: Russian*, Latvian* Studies: German | Message 5 of 34 21 July 2012 at 10:35am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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My try in Russian. I just don't know how easy it will be to compare the text in Cyrillic alphabet with the text in Latin alphabet. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Julie Heptaglot Senior Member PolandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6684 days ago 1251 posts - 1733 votes 5 sounds Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, GermanC2, SpanishB2, Dutch, Swedish, French | Message 6 of 34 21 July 2012 at 11:49am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I don't think so; I've checked the description for another comparison by the same author, and it seems that he basically counts similar lexical items in a given text (and probably uses texts of various length, as you can't compare the numbers from two different sets of languages to each other, e.g. German vs. Polish: 565, German vs. Italian: 407, German vs. Hindi: 236). I've found some other interesting data in the same book: the ranking of Slavic languages depending on the number of words that have their etymological equivalents in other Slavic languages (again, it's based on parallel texts, these are absolute values that can be compare to eacht other only). Mańczak (1999) uses the list to argue that Slavs originally come from the area between the Vistula and the Oder River. Basically, the ranking is supposed to give the answer concerning which language is the most "Slavic" one. Polish - 3823 Czech - 3688 Slovak - 3608 Upper Sorbian - 3369 Belorussian - 3343 Russian - 3311 Serbo-Croatian - 3309 Slovenian - 3205 Ukrainian - 3205 Lower Sorbian - 3013 Bulgarian - 2948 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4449 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 7 of 34 21 July 2012 at 3:29pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Croatian vs Russian:
I have never studied Russian, but I find written Russian easy to understand. The spoken Russian is a different thing, sometimes in minutes and minutes of listening I can't understand anything and after that...a complete sentence I can understand! Weird! Edited by Medulin on 21 July 2012 at 3:31pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6378 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 8 of 34 21 July 2012 at 4:33pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Slaven Bilić gave an interview in Croatian yesterday and people were praising his perfect Russian XD
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