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Марк
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 Message 41 of 51
16 November 2012 at 8:54am | IP Logged 
Serpent wrote:
Are you able to pronounce mushroom?:)

That's another thing. It is natural this combination of sounds, but i wonder myself how i
manage to pronounce шр and жр. There is no any problem to pronounce ж + soft р, like in
жрёт.

Edited by Марк on 16 November 2012 at 8:56am

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montmorency
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 Message 42 of 51
17 November 2012 at 4:51am | IP Logged 
This is now an HTLAL chestnut, but for completeness: final "d" in Danish "mad", e.g. in
"tak for mad".


I slightly disagree with one of my fellow countrymen above about "clothes": I'd think
of that as a soft "th". i.e. it's more or less the same "th" as in "with", and I don't
believe I slur it. It's definitely not the same "th" as in "cloth". It is the same "th"
as in the verb "to clothe".


On the other hand, I think young children and perhaps some adults tend to pronounce the
"th" (in "clothes") with an "s" or "z" sound of some sort.




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 Message 43 of 51
17 November 2012 at 5:39am | IP Logged 
My preferred pronunciation is /kləʊðz/, with both th and s. Makes more sense :P
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 Message 45 of 51
17 November 2012 at 6:23am | IP Logged 
I can imagine, but maybe trying to pronounce it with a Russian or Spanish accent would help:)
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 Message 46 of 51
17 November 2012 at 2:29pm | IP Logged 
Tadeo wrote:
Марк wrote:
Serpent wrote:
Are you able to pronounce mushroom?:)


I'm sorry, but for me the sequence in English mu[ʃɹ]oom is completely different from Russian мар[ʂr]ут.

I'll try to upload a sound file of me (mis)pronouncing those sequences.


Maybe a stupid question, but have you listened to how native speakers pronounce it? Often the only problem is that you don't know how to put the sounds together.


Tadeo wrote:
As for the final d in Danish, yeah, it took me forever to stop hearing a kind of "l" sound instead!


Why would you even want to do that? I tried to listen to some Forvo recordings and it's almost certainly pronounced [ɫ].

Edited by LaughingChimp on 17 November 2012 at 2:32pm

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 Message 47 of 51
17 November 2012 at 3:40pm | IP Logged 
The Danish final d is a dental approximant, whatever you're hearing.
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LaughingChimp
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 Message 48 of 51
17 November 2012 at 5:54pm | IP Logged 
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
The Danish final d is a dental approximant, whatever you're hearing.


It's definitely a lateral consonant, whatever wikipedia says. It sounds like a pharyngealized l, but it's possible that the tongue tip doesn't actually touch anything, which could be probably described as a dental aproximant. (but IMO it would be better transcribed as [ɫ̠], with the retracted diacritics if you want to be precise) Stil, it's an L like sound, so convincing yourself it's not doasn't make any sense.

Edited by LaughingChimp on 17 November 2012 at 6:06pm



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