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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4837 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 41 of 51 16 November 2012 at 8:54am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
That's another thing. It is natural this combination of sounds, but i wonder myself how i manage to pronounce шр and жр. There is no any problem to pronounce ж + soft р, like in жрёт. Edited by Марк on 16 November 2012 at 8:56am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4609 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 42 of 51 17 November 2012 at 4:51am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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This is now an HTLAL chestnut, but for completeness: final "d" in Danish "mad", e.g. in
"tak for mad". I slightly disagree with one of my fellow countrymen above about "clothes": I'd think of that as a soft "th". i.e. it's more or less the same "th" as in "with", and I don't believe I slur it. It's definitely not the same "th" as in "cloth". It is the same "th" as in the verb "to clothe". On the other hand, I think young children and perhaps some adults tend to pronounce the "th" (in "clothes") with an "s" or "z" sound of some sort. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6378 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 43 of 51 17 November 2012 at 5:39am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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My preferred pronunciation is /kləʊðz/, with both th and s. Makes more sense :P
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6378 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 45 of 51 17 November 2012 at 6:23am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I can imagine, but maybe trying to pronounce it with a Russian or Spanish accent would help:)
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| LaughingChimp Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4480 days ago 346 posts - 594 votes Speaks: Czech* | Message 46 of 51 17 November 2012 at 2:29pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Maybe a stupid question, but have you listened to how native speakers pronounce it? Often the only problem is that you don't know how to put the sounds together.
Why would you even want to do that? I tried to listen to some Forvo recordings and it's almost certainly pronounced [ɫ]. Edited by LaughingChimp on 17 November 2012 at 2:32pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6690 days ago 4250 posts - 5710 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 47 of 51 17 November 2012 at 3:40pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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The Danish final d is a dental approximant, whatever you're hearing.
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| LaughingChimp Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4480 days ago 346 posts - 594 votes Speaks: Czech* | Message 48 of 51 17 November 2012 at 5:54pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
It's definitely a lateral consonant, whatever wikipedia says. It sounds like a pharyngealized l, but it's possible that the tongue tip doesn't actually touch anything, which could be probably described as a dental aproximant. (but IMO it would be better transcribed as [ɫ̠], with the retracted diacritics if you want to be precise) Stil, it's an L like sound, so convincing yourself it's not doasn't make any sense. Edited by LaughingChimp on 17 November 2012 at 6:06pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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