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| Wort Groupie Austria Joined 4335 days ago 82 posts - 87 votes  Speaks: German* Studies: English, Spanish | Message 17 of 49 04 January 2013 at 9:36pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Y lo que a mí me cuesta más son las combinaciones que contienen o "d" o "t" sucedidas de la "r" puesto que intenté aprender la r alveolar sustituyéndola con "d". Por lo tanto no sé pronunciarlas correctamente :/. Realmente espero que el dicho "Ejercicio hace al maestro" sea verdad! jajaja ¡Me alegraría muchísimo si pudieras corregir los errores que cometí! :) (O sea, es muy probable que haya cometido algunos errores, al menos con seguridad hay cosas que un nativo expresaría de otra manera) @Toffeeliz: Yes, you're right, but I thought I should take some classes at the beginning because I wanted to be able to ask a teacher, if there would be any nebulosity (my first try to learn Russian in summer went wrong since I had felt totally lost in grammar and pronunciation rules). :) Spanish: I had another 45 minutes of conversation with a native speaker talking about some phrases like "ir al grano", "ponerse como un tomato", "estar sopa", etc. Moreover, I repeated some vocabulary. Russian: I started the second unit of my computer program as well as I went through the words I had learnt before. Well, I know, I should begin to learn the formation of the plural - Nominative of course! :D 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5021 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 18 of 49 06 January 2013 at 12:43pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
followed by an 'r' -> "seguidas", rather than "sucedidas"
Mmm. With 'd for r' you still let air pass around your tongue sides, right? To pronounce the Spanish 'r' correctly you need to expand it laterally so the only way to get the air out is to make your tongue flap from that position.
Other than what I mentioned, "los errores que cometí" is OK for most Latin American Spanish variants, but if you meant "the mistakes I just made" (implying only a very short time since) then you probably want to say "he cometido" if your aim is to speak Spanish Spanish. Maybe it's even better to say "haya cometido" (meaning you've just probably --instead of necessarily-- made some mistakes). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Wort Groupie Austria Joined 4335 days ago 82 posts - 87 votes Speaks: German* Studies: English, Spanish | Message 19 of 49 19 January 2013 at 10:26am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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So, I didn't make any updates for nearly two weeks now, so I think it's time to do so. :)
Two weeks ago, school started again so that week I hadn't any time for studying, since we got a lot of things to prepare. Then, this week I got a bad cold and again I couldn't really study . However, I did repeat and learn some new Spanish vocabulary and I'm thinking of buying me the first Harry Potter in Spanish - I only fear that the level of it might be too exigent. Unfortunately, I haven't made any progress in Russian and I'm very sad about this fact. Actually I'm a bit demotivated but I know that I have to stay strong, especially at the very beginnings because afterwards I'l fell more confident when I can read and speak a little bit more, I suppose. I'll start the classes again on Tuesday. :) @mrwarper: Gracias por tus correcciones. Me alegro muchísimo de que un nativo corrija mis errores. En cuanto a si mi objeto (aim?) es hablar de una manera española o latinoamericana he de decir que no lo sé. Aprendo lo que dicen mis libros y profesores así como leo y escucho mucho por mi mismo, pero no estoy seguro - quizás es mejor quedarse neutral al principio antes de especializarse en un cierto dialecto. Sin embargo, estoy considerando ir a España de viaje de idiomas para 2 semanas este verano - vamos a ver jaja! Desgraciadamente la r sigue difícil para mí... me parece que debería practicar más. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5129 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 20 of 49 19 January 2013 at 11:19am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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When I hear of how much people struggle to learn the Russian or Spanish R I guess I cannot complain about
the struggle I had to learn to use the German/French one. In Norway we use both, according to where you grew up, so in my family my father and sister who both grew up in Southern Norway and Western Norway used the French R and my mother and I who grew up in Eastern Norway used the standard Norwegian R, which sounds like the weak little brother of the Spanish and Russian one. The French/German one used to be considered posh, so when I was a kid wealthy people would have a nanny from the South so that the kids would grow up speaking the standard Eastern dialect with a French/German R. And the silver lining for you is that if you ever decided to pick up Norwegian, you would get a posh R for free :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4502 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 21 of 49 19 January 2013 at 11:28am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Oh, my dialect has the French/German R and I only learned the rolled r like a year ago.
It's not that hard, it just means sustained effort (I had the idea down in a month or two). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4851 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 22 of 49 19 January 2013 at 12:28pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
It's funny, because the uvular sound is easier than the alveolar one and people use the former instead of the latter even if everyone pronounces the alveolar sound around them. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Wort Groupie Austria Joined 4335 days ago 82 posts - 87 votes Speaks: German* Studies: English, Spanish | Message 23 of 49 19 January 2013 at 1:52pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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@Cristina: Thanks for the encouragement! Actually, I learnt some Norwegian at the age of 14 taking some classes
due to my big interest for the marvelous landscape and the fascinating culture with all the myths and trolls but at that time I couldn't imagine learning a language by myself because I only had been learning English and Latin before. The classes got incredibly expensive and so I stopped learning it. But I definitely want to restart it on day - it's only a matter of time. :) Just a little question: How do you Russian learners manage to remember the correct spelling of the words. In my opinion it's extremely difficult because of the soft/hard signs. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Kerrie Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Kerrie2 Joined 5190 days ago 1232 posts - 1740 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 24 of 49 19 January 2013 at 5:04pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Probably the same as we do in English. :) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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