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| fredomirek Tetraglot Senior Member Poland Joined 6687 days ago 265 posts - 264 votes  Speaks: Polish*, EnglishC1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Japanese | Message 1 of 8 26 July 2006 at 5:50am | IP Logged | ||
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I've just found a sentence and the basic meaning differs. Does this verb work the same as English "must"
dovere - must, non dovere - musn't/don't have to Non devi fare - You musn't do/You don't have to do. Am I correct? It just wouldn't make sense in my book if "non devi fare" meant only "you don't have to do". Thanks, sorry for confusion (my post is rather messy) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Kveldulv Senior Member Italy Joined 6734 days ago 222 posts - 244 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Italian* | Message 2 of 8 26 July 2006 at 7:10am | IP Logged | ||
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fredomirek, you're right, but often "dovere" is not as 'strong' as "must", and can mean "have to" even in affirmative phrases.
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| fredomirek Tetraglot Senior Member Poland Joined 6687 days ago 265 posts - 264 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishC1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Japanese | Message 3 of 8 26 July 2006 at 8:17am | IP Logged | ||
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Isn't "have to" stronger? I mean
"I must do it" - it's my personal opinion "I have to do it" - I am obliged to do it right? Anyway, "non devi farlo" - you musn't do it, it's quite a new thing to me. Thanks! P.S. I just thought about the difference between" 'Non puoi farlo' vs 'Non devi farlo'? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Kveldulv Senior Member Italy Joined 6734 days ago 222 posts - 244 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Italian* | Message 4 of 8 26 July 2006 at 8:52am | IP Logged | ||
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Non puoi farlo -> you can't do it.
Non devi farlo -> you mustn't do it. As far as I know, "have to" represents more a need while "must" a sort of obligation, referred to another person. Edited by Kveldulv on 26 July 2006 at 8:52am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| fredomirek Tetraglot Senior Member Poland Joined 6687 days ago 265 posts - 264 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishC1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Japanese | Message 5 of 8 26 July 2006 at 4:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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"MUST : obligation is imposed by the speaker. The speaker has authority over the one that is spoken to and he/she exercises his/her power.
HAVE TO: obligation springs from circumstances or external rules. Something has to be done, whether the speaker likes it or not." Random site from the Internet. Edited by fredomirek on 26 July 2006 at 4:37pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sinfonia Senior Member Wales Joined 6525 days ago 255 posts - 261 votes Speaks: English* | Message 6 of 8 26 July 2006 at 5:58pm | IP Logged | ||
It's worth bearing in mind that there's a big difference in meaning in English between "must not" and "don't have to"... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| fredomirek Tetraglot Senior Member Poland Joined 6687 days ago 265 posts - 264 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishC1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Japanese | Message 7 of 8 28 July 2006 at 3:11am | IP Logged | ||
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I know... and therefore I've mentioned both of the possibilities. "don't have to" = lack of the necessity and "musn't" - prohibition, isn't it?
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| Monox D. I-Fly Senior Member Indonesia monoxdifly.iopc.us Joined 4916 days ago 762 posts - 664 votes Speaks: Indonesian* | Message 8 of 8 29 September 2016 at 6:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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As far as I know... Must not = Lack of necessity; May not = Prohibition...
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