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| jean-luc Senior Member France Joined 4772 days ago 100 posts - 150 votes  Speaks: French* Studies: German | Message 9 of 18 14 January 2013 at 11:13pm | IP Logged | ||
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The main problem is that the original and the translation can differ a lot.
However, I tried a similar stuff with Assimil, and as far as I can say it was effective. My main problem was that to make the cards. I managed to scan and OCR a part of the book, and even like that it was taking too long. Edited by jean-luc on 14 January 2013 at 11:15pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6251 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 10 of 18 09 February 2013 at 12:34pm | IP Logged | ||
Why oh why oh why? The advantage of a parallel text is that it allows you to learn the vocabulary as necessary, and pleasurably read texts in your L2 where you would otherwise miss more nuances and words (or would miss the sense entirely, if you do it as an absolute beginner in an unrelated language). With LR and a book you like, you'll spend a lot less hours overall than via anki; the same goes for just reading the parallel text. Running the text through an SRS first is one of the few methods I've heard of that sounds more painful than looking every last word up in the dictionary when at an intermediate level. I'm almost tempted to ask why not to transliterate every unknown word into cuneiform and engrave it too... Perhaps more usefully, emk's points are very sound; please consider them. 8 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Incunabulum Newbie United States Joined 4851 days ago 13 posts - 30 votes Studies: French, Serbian | Message 11 of 18 11 February 2013 at 4:18pm | IP Logged | ||
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With some languages (French for example), the problem is deciding which language
learning resources to use. With other languages the problem is finding anything useful beyond the beginner stage, which forces you to be more creative. That is what motivated my question. In Serbian, you can find audio books for Serbian literature but it is very unlikely that you will find an English translation. You can find English literature translated into Serbian, but the only audio books are those recorded for the blind and they are very hard to come by. So far I've only been able to find one book where I had all three parts for LR (L1 text, L2 text, and L2 audio), and the L2 text had been scanned and so had many scanning errors, omitted pages, etc. which needed to be fixed. Doing that is much more painful than hours of Anki. So the original question I posted was whether using SRS on sentences from a parallel text would be useful, and the question was directed to anyone who may have actually tried it. I got replies from several people that had not tried it but were apparently horrified or somehow offended that I even suggested it, warning me or Anki hell and suggesting putting it in cuneiform instead. A simple "no, I don't think that would be a good thing to do" would have been fine, or a more useful "I think struggling through the parallel text repeatedly will be better". 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| stifa Triglot Senior Member Norway lang-8.com/448715 Joined 4685 days ago 629 posts - 813 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Japanese, Spanish | Message 12 of 18 11 February 2013 at 7:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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I too think Volte is overreacting.
I think you're best off just trying it and reporting back. I presonally use subs2srs quite often, and I delete about 80% of the cards because they are either too hard or too easy. The only advice is just to be picky and delete any cards that you don't benefit from. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| kujichagulia Senior Member Japan Joined 4659 days ago 1031 posts - 1571 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Portuguese | Message 13 of 18 12 February 2013 at 12:42am | IP Logged | ||
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I would think twice before just dismissing the advice that Volte and emk have given.
Even if they haven't tried the specific method that the OP inquired about, both of them are experienced language learners who have "been through the fire", if you will, and know a thing or two. Their advice has personally helped me out with my language learning, and emk has been especially helpful when it comes to Anki and SRS. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| RedBeard Senior Member United States atariage.com Joined 5914 days ago 126 posts - 182 votes Speaks: Ancient Greek* Studies: French, German | Message 14 of 18 24 February 2013 at 7:52am | IP Logged | ||
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One could try a smaller test and give it a chance. For example: choose a long magazine article or a short novella that looks interesting and SRS it just like the proposal.
You can then sort out any issues in the work flow and timing - and when it is all done, you'll know for sure if it was worth it. You can gauge how long the larger work will take, whether the reward will equal the work, etc. As with most new ideas around here, I think fellow HTLAL'ers will enjoy hearing about the process and its eventual outcome. :wq! [edited for clarity] Edited by RedBeard on 24 February 2013 at 5:04pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| andras_farkas Tetraglot Groupie Hungary Joined 4712 days ago 56 posts - 165 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Spanish, English, Italian | Message 15 of 18 10 March 2013 at 9:13pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi everyone, I am the author of LF Aligner and I just came across this thread. While the
tool was originally written for translators to generate trasnlation memories, I think it may prove useful for language learning. I'd certainly be happy to help with this if there's interest. Perhaps a little library of aligned books could be compiled and made available online for language learners to use. If interesting out-of-copyright books can be found, I might even be able to host the files. The key is finding good quality raw material (full texts with no extraneous material, preferably not OCRed, not pdf). I would focus on formats that allow actual reading (side-by-side HTML, perhaps xls and ebook formats), but there's nothing to stop people from making cards for anki or whatever they fancy. 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| twopossums Newbie United States Joined 4169 days ago 34 posts - 53 votes Speaks: English* | Message 16 of 18 20 March 2013 at 1:36am | IP Logged | ||
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Ok not to be a total moron but what do I do with this text file that it outputs. Is there a way I can get this to open in say Word or Acrobat and have it be all aligned so I can read it.
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