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Message 25 of 27

22 March 2013 at 7:29pm | IP Logged

LaughingChimp wrote:

I meant je vais by pronunciation, not by spelling. Memorizing
words by spelling doesn't make any sense.

I don't understand this sentence.

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The whole complicated process is the reason why you end up with many bugs. There
are much fewer opportunities for bugs to creep in if you keep it simple.

What's complicated? I don't go through any more steps than you do, only I make them
explicit in that post. Of course context of "future plans" demands a futur proche in
spoken language, hence aller in present + infinitive. The problem is that YOU are not
making explicit which context you are talking about and that you need "regarder" for
watching a television. The step that determines your speed usually is decoding the
context!

Je vais + infinitive is not a good enough rule if I don't know in which contexts I have
to apply that rule. You also need to supply that contextual information.

Like I said, my mind does not consciously evaluate all of these steps in sequence. That
would be cumbersome. But it can do this quickly and subconsciously which leads to a
more accurate answer.
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22 March 2013 at 8:38pm | IP Logged

I mean that memorizing words by spelling instead of sound doesn't make any sense. You need to know pronunciation without thinking, but you have usually enough time to handle spelling, so memorizing the sound is much more useful and it's generally easier anyway. I don't understand what you don't understand.

1.Sg future = /ʒvɛ/ + infinitive is the only rule I need, compared with your four: futur proche = aller > vais > je vais > ʒvɛ. I don't go through those steps at all, neither consciously or subconsciously, I just remember that I need to use ʒvɛ. I don't understand what you mean by context.

Edited by LaughingChimp on 22 March 2013 at 8:40pm
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23 March 2013 at 8:01am | IP Logged

LaughingChimp wrote:

memorizing the sound is much more useful and it's generally easier anyway.

I love your posts but you generalize a lot...

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