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| yong321 Groupie United States yong321.freeshe Joined 5329 days ago 80 posts - 104 votes  Studies: Spanish | Message 9 of 13 11 April 2013 at 7:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thank you, all! And particularly to Ogrim. I should have checked the French Wikipedia page where the pronunciation is given. (I only checked the English page.)
Now I know the Google translator's pronunciation is not completely right: "c" is incorrectly pronounced as "k", although the ending "s" is pronounced. Edited by yong321 on 11 April 2013 at 7:36pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| FELlX Diglot Groupie France Joined 4557 days ago 94 posts - 149 votes Speaks: French*, English | Message 10 of 13 11 April 2013 at 10:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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The "C" was tricky there because of the "œ" ligature, which is usually pronounced like a normal "e" (while "æ" appears to be pronounced like an "é"). Edited by FELlX on 11 April 2013 at 10:22pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4426 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian | Message 11 of 13 12 April 2013 at 10:58am | IP Logged | ||
I thought C before œ would always be pronounced "K", like in cœur. However, investingating a bit I found the following in French and English Wikipedia respectively: "On énonce parfois une « règle » voulant qu'en français, la ligature œ se prononce comme « eu » lorsqu’elle est suivie d’une voyelle, et comme « é » lorsqu’elle est suivie d’une consonne. Il s’agit là d’un procédé mnémotechnique, qui peut être utile, mais reste susceptible d’exceptions, et surtout, sans aucune valeur linguistique. La seule règle rigoureuse est celle de l’étymologie latine (prononciation : /ø/ ou /œ/) ou grecque (prononciation : /e/ ou /ɛ/) dans tous les cas." " It is most prominent in the words mœurs ("mores", almost exclusively employed in its plural form; mœur is masculine in the singular and feminine in the plural), cœur ("heart"), sœur ("sister"), œuf ("egg"), œuvre ("work") and œil ("eye"), in which the digraph œu, like eu, represents the sound [œ] or [ø]. French also uses œ in direct borrowings from Latin and Greek. So, "cœliac" in French is cœliaque. In such cases, the œ is pronounced [e]." "Cœliac" is pronounced /se.ljak/ according to my dictionary, so clearly the rule must be that if the œ is pronounced [é], a preceding C is pronounced [s]. Edited by Ogrim on 12 April 2013 at 10:59am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| maucca Diglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4438 days ago 33 posts - 64 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English Studies: French | Message 12 of 13 13 April 2013 at 12:06pm | IP Logged | ||
Some examples are abcès [absɛ; apsɛ], accès [aksɛ], exprès [ɛkspʀɛ], herpès [ɛʀpɛs], progrès [pʀɔgʀɛ], succès [syksɛ]. These are quite easy to find if you have "Le Grand Robert de la langue française" dictionary, using its wildcard search. It's also possible to do a phonetic search, for example to find words pronounced [-es] or [-ɛs] : aloès [alɔɛs], cacatoès, kakatoès [kakatɔɛs] fèces [fɛs]. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| NewLanguageGuy Groupie France youtube.com/NewLangu Joined 4394 days ago 74 posts - 134 votes Speaks: English* | Message 13 of 13 14 April 2013 at 1:52pm | IP Logged | ||
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Not forgetting regional differences.
EG - people in parts of southwest France pronounce the "s" at the end of "moins".... 1 person has voted this message useful |
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