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| sillygoose1 Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 4447 days ago 566 posts - 814 votes  Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: German, Latin | Message 1 of 9 01 May 2013 at 3:44am | IP Logged | ||
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Let's say for example I'm watching a movie and come across a word that, even after 3-5 rewinds, I cannot understand. I try a few more times in slow motion, and still nothing.
What should I do in this situation? What do you do? Do you keep going until you finally understand it? Do you let it go? What about sentences? "j'sais pas c'que je f'rais sans c' boulot" How do you guys learn this sort of stuff? I really hate the idea of not understanding something right in front of me. Edited by sillygoose1 on 01 May 2013 at 3:45am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6408 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 2 of 9 01 May 2013 at 4:20am | IP Logged | ||
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ask a native speaker. you can cut out a tiny fragment of the movie and post it somewhere, for example. or find the subtitles/closed captions.
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| Bakunin Diglot Senior Member Switzerland outerkhmer.blogspot. Joined 4941 days ago 531 posts - 1126 votes Speaks: German*, Thai Studies: Khmer | Message 3 of 9 01 May 2013 at 6:17am | IP Logged | ||
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In the situation described by you - where you already made some effort to catch the phrase -, I would just let it go. I wouldn't want to waste my time researching some tiny sentence fragment. There are many reasons why something doesn't click at this point in time, and, given continued exposure to the language, it is almost certain that there will be a point later in time where it becomes clear, just by itself. That is at least my experience. The time you spend on researching that particular phrase, e.g. by looking for subtitles or taking it to a native speaker, is much better spent on other comprehensible input, output or study activities. A single word or phrase is almost never relevant for your progress in language learning.
Generally, I think the desire to understand everything 100% is quite counter-productive. In my opinion and experience, it is much better to go with the flow. Take in what you're ready for and let go what you're not ready for. Stay engaged, stay in the present moment. 7 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6408 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 4 of 9 01 May 2013 at 10:15am | IP Logged | ||
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agreed, i'd only do this for something that was really bothering me.
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| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4476 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 5 of 9 01 May 2013 at 1:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have a habit of saving things like this and coming back to them weeks later. Usually I end up understanding them, or at least understanding a lot more of them.
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 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5343 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 6 of 9 01 May 2013 at 2:09pm | IP Logged | ||
For me, extensive watching is about turning "just barely comprehensible" input into "I could understand in my sleep" input. My effort is limited to (1) paying close attention or (2) rewinding a couple of times. If I rewind too much, my wife gets bored, so sometimes I'll ask her to repeat something. But usually I just let it go. If I want to do intensive listening exercises, I'll take a DVD with accurate bilingual subtitles and feed it through subs2srs. Then I'll delete all the cards which are too easy, too hard or too boring. This certainly helped, but it was cutting into my reading and TV time, so I cut way back on this and all other Anki activities for a while. Despite the (temporary) lack of intensive listening activities, my listening comprehension has continued to improve. Apparently, I can make real progress just by taking the L+1 input and solidifying it, and letting the L+5 input go for now. Edited by emk on 01 May 2013 at 2:09pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| maucca Diglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4462 days ago 33 posts - 64 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English Studies: French | Message 7 of 9 01 May 2013 at 3:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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"Le Grand Robert de la langue française" has a phonetic wildcard search which has often been helpful to me in these situations. It's not a miracle worker, but with several youtube videos, it has enabled me to make sense of spoken texts well above my current level.
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5192 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 8 of 9 01 May 2013 at 5:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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Insofar as you are going to continue your study of the language, anything you don't understand now is something you will understand later. I just move on.
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