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Shared vocabulary of Italian, German, and Russian

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Марк
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 Message 17 of 24
30 May 2013 at 6:50pm | IP Logged 
But история is Geschichte in German, and aren't there more Geschichtes than helicopters?
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 Message 18 of 24
30 May 2013 at 7:29pm | IP Logged 
In my experience, no, there are more helicopters. There are plenty of words which are similar in only one of Russian or German to Italian. This leaves either general impressions from extensive study, or carefully comparing corpera or frequency lists; no one on the forum has done the latter, and everyone who's done the former seems to agree, and handwave about German being perhaps twice as close.


Edited by Volte on 30 May 2013 at 7:31pm

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 Message 19 of 24
09 June 2013 at 1:31pm | IP Logged 
Марк wrote:
But история is Geschichte in German, and aren't there more Geschichtes than
helicopters?


What is your reason for thinking there are more Geschichtes than helicopters?
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Марк
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 Message 20 of 24
09 June 2013 at 3:43pm | IP Logged 
tarvos wrote:

What is your reason for thinking there are more Geschichtes than helicopters?

I'm just asking. I know there are very many Latin words in Russian (and quite a lot of
German words too).
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Serpent
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 Message 21 of 24
09 June 2013 at 5:46pm | IP Logged 
Even Polish has more, not to mention any Romance language.
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Марк
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 Message 22 of 24
09 June 2013 at 8:26pm | IP Logged 
Serpent wrote:
Even Polish has more, not to mention any Romance language.

And what about German? If Russian has more Latin words than German, then it must be
closer to Italian than German. But we have to compare frequencies as well.
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 Message 23 of 24
09 June 2013 at 8:50pm | IP Logged 
I seriously doubt that Russian has more Latin loanwords than German. Very often, Russian has a native word where German uses a Latin loan (изучать - studieren, международный - international, гулять - spazieren), furthermore German has a lot more French loanwords than Russian.

EDIT: By the way, "Geschichte" is a bad example, because German also has the noun "Historie" and the adjective "historisch". And normally, a "Geschichtswissenschaftler" is just a "Historiker".

Edited by Josquin on 09 June 2013 at 9:09pm

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 Message 24 of 24
11 June 2013 at 12:10pm | IP Logged 
This silly meme is a nice illustration btw.
The only word that exists in Russian is margherita, and it's the name of a different flower. And okay maaaaaybe "пенал" counts but it's a useless word for most people.


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