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| ericblair Senior Member United States Joined 4533 days ago 480 posts - 700 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 9 of 16 18 September 2013 at 1:30am | IP Logged | ||
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I think learners of Dutch learn mainly from native materials by the time they are C1. You
have to take the training wheels off eventually. I think your best bet by then would be to dive into reading/watching/listening/speaking with Dutch natives and native media. Just look up any unknown vocab or ask what it means at that point. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4529 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 10 of 16 18 September 2013 at 1:58pm | IP Logged | ||
They just speak, man. If they are C1 or C2 they can use native materials. Those tend to be people that live here and have integrated in our society, and form a long-term part of the community. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| sans-serif Tetraglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4381 days ago 298 posts - 470 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, German, Swedish Studies: Danish | Message 11 of 16 18 September 2013 at 3:49pm | IP Logged | ||
They do, and no grammar books are necessary once you start nearing the top of the scale--on that I completely agree. Still, there is a place for those advanced level materials too, I think. For example, some of the books we used in English class in high school had a strong focus on things like writing, idiomatic expressions and phrasal verbs, and common mistakes made by native Finnish speakers. I was already fluent by that point, so the classes were mostly boring for me, but going over these things in a systematic fashion was nevertheless quite useful, as it exposed many of the little inaccuracies that remained in my English and solidified some things that were still a bit fuzzy to me. I should say, however, that it's a good idea to spend some time using the language and enjoying native speaker materials before even considering these advanced materials. It's both more fun and more beneficial. Edited by sans-serif on 18 September 2013 at 3:50pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4529 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 12 of 16 18 September 2013 at 5:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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But Dutch doesn't have a lot of those materials.
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| sans-serif Tetraglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4381 days ago 298 posts - 470 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, German, Swedish Studies: Danish | Message 13 of 16 18 September 2013 at 7:12pm | IP Logged | ||
That's a shame then. I guess we can only hope that someone will come by and name the few worthwhile ones that do exist. I've been on the lookout for books targeted to advanced Swedish learners recently, and those are not easy to find either. Thankfully, at least a couple promising titles have turned up in my searches, mostly thanks to Emme, who pointed me in the right direction. The takeaway for me has been that good resources can be lurking out there, just under the radar, unknown to almost everyone but the handful of community colleges using these books. It's just a matter of finding them. Edited by sans-serif on 18 September 2013 at 7:14pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4112 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 14 of 16 19 September 2013 at 4:21am | IP Logged | ||
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Even until the last year of secondary school I had "English" class, which was more
focussed on composition and idiomatic expressions than grammar (although in secondary school I actually still had grammar lessons, but covering probably the last topics before one stops altogether studying grammar), as I suppose above it was said how in Finland they do it. It would be nice to know any of those Dutch equivalent books. My guess is that such a book would be a guide on writing composition and dissertation-style guidelines to writing, for Dutch secondary school (and/or university) students. Edited by 1e4e6 on 19 September 2013 at 4:22am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5669 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 15 of 16 21 September 2013 at 7:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have a pocket grammar book from the Netherlands written in Dutch:
Prisma Taalbeheersing - Grammatica Nederlands, Vijftiende druk 2010 ISBN 978 90 274 9685 0 Very good is the list of irregular Dutch verbs and Dutch grammar terms with their Latin equivalents. Perhaps you know that grammar terms in Dutch can be very tricky. Have a look on www.prisma.nl, if you are interested. Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 21 September 2013 at 7:18pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4529 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 16 of 16 21 September 2013 at 11:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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They're not tricky - they're just translated into Germanic equivalents for some reason.
The same occurs with mathematical terms. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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