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| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5024 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 1 of 5 02 October 2013 at 3:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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I noticed in past tense words of the form -ade, sometime the second peak of the grave accent seems to land on the
second syllable and sometimes on the third. For instance, in Forvo, städade seems to have the first peak on the first syllable and the second on the third. Brukade, however, has its second peak on the second syllable. So, what gives? Is this just something in free variation, different ways of realizing the grave accent? Or is there really a pronunciation difference between, e.g., brukade and städade? Thanks. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6705 days ago 4250 posts - 5710 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 2 of 5 02 October 2013 at 7:24pm | IP Logged | ||
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If the preterite ending is just added to the infinitive, I'd say that the pitch of bruka and bruka(de) is identical. That is, de is just added (and with somewhat neutral pitch).
This three-syllable pattern isn't manifested identically in all regional accents, but the idea is the same: Two-syllable infinitive - grave pitch accent Three-syllable preterite - grave pitch accent Exactly how the grave pitch accent sound in the regional accent (or when spoken by any individual) can vary, and therefore, the way you (or I) hear it may suggest that there is a peak on another syllable than expected. Edit: Perhaps there are two speakers with different regional accents. Without knowing which (and without explaining it like Swedish is a dialect of Chinese...), either two-syllable pitch accent can be low-high or high-low (and probably all shades in between). Hope this helps! Edited by jeff_lindqvist on 02 October 2013 at 7:30pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| sans-serif Tetraglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4355 days ago 298 posts - 470 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, German, Swedish Studies: Danish | Message 3 of 5 02 October 2013 at 8:04pm | IP Logged | ||
The recording for städade is by forum member Cordelia who is originally from Stockholm. (link) Brukade was recorded by someone with the alias ret001 who indicated that he was "Born and raised in Västerås. Lived in Uppsala since 1978." (link) Edited by sans-serif on 02 October 2013 at 8:05pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5024 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 4 of 5 02 October 2013 at 9:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks, both, that helps a lot. I suppose I'll aim for the Stockholm pronunciation.
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To my ears, both recordings have the same pitch contour, or "peak distribution". No big difference.
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