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| vonPeterhof Tetraglot Senior Member Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4552 days ago 715 posts - 1527 votes  Speaks: Russian*, EnglishC2, Japanese, German Studies: Kazakh, Korean, Norwegian, Turkish | Message 41 of 51 13 October 2013 at 5:56pm | IP Logged | |||||
Also, what did you mean by the French version of th? Is it the way French speakers (mis)pronounce the English sounds ([s]/[z]) or the way that they pronounce that combination of letters in French words ([t])? Because as far as I know there are no dialects of English where th is pronounced as [s] or [z]. When the pronunciation isn't the standard [θ] and [ð] it's either something resembling [t] and [d] or [f] and [v]. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4014 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 42 of 51 13 October 2013 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'm not sure if I remember that clearly, but I think it really pissed me off when I was watching "Despicable Me": Steve Carell's rolled r. I don't think that Gru really needed to roll r that badly that I would remember it even better than film itself, but that's the point of view, of course. Plus, English is so misty when it comes to pronunciation, that I expect English and American actors to speak standards, when others can do whatever they want to - I can easily "forgive" Spanish accent, for example. I meant s/z. Well, I had very bad start, having read in mother's course book that one should never pronounce th as s/z, now I'm somewhere between correct pronunciation and v/f, it depends on what I'm thinking about while speaking. But I'm dealing with s/z often enough to somewhat accept it, but when I hear rolled r, I really want to cry. Yeah, I envy them! That's why I hate these accents :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| espejismo Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4831 days ago 498 posts - 905 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Spanish, Greek, Azerbaijani | Message 43 of 51 13 October 2013 at 7:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
But where's the fun in that? Dialects have been a part of the English literary tradition ever since Chaucer wrote the Reeve's Tale. The great 19th century novelists--Dickens, Gaskell, Eliot, etc.--all employed non- standard and dialectal varieties of English in their works. "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" would hardly be the great show that we know it to be if the characters did not speak with an accent so thick that subtitles were required. Or the "Sopranos," for instance, with their Italian-American New York/New Jersey accents. Words like "bookyak" or "goomah" did a lot to give them authenticity. Not to mention the Minnesota accent in "Fargo," which was a character of its own. Ya, you betcha! Edited by espejismo on 13 October 2013 at 7:48pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| LanguagePhysics Newbie United States Joined 3926 days ago 34 posts - 43 votes Speaks: English* | Message 44 of 51 14 October 2013 at 3:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
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It seems that native English speakers are the most tolerant of non-natives trying to speak their language.
I get the impression that speakers of some languages that aren't used to hearing foreigners try and speak their language get irritated by mistakes and mispronunciations that foreigners make and are far less tolerant of their language being poorly spoken. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Donaldshimoda Diglot Groupie Italy Joined 3870 days ago 47 posts - 72 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: German, Russian | Message 45 of 51 26 October 2013 at 6:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
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As for Italian I'd say none.
No matter how cool the accent could be within its original language, I actually don't like hearing Italian with a foreign accent. For the record I've also never heard a foreigner speaking like a native even in language courses (pimsleur,michel thomas...) it just seems Italian accent it's a tough one to master. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4487 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 46 of 51 26 October 2013 at 6:29pm | IP Logged | |||||
Originally, RP English had a rolled r. It's a very posh way to speak and makes you sound like you are an ancient English duke. Some dialects actually maintain a rolled R, but in this case, you would have to be Scottish, Welsh or South African. If you're not from one of these regions (or perhaps an African or a Caribbean speaker that maintains a rolled r, I don't know if these dialects do) then speaking with one is very disingenuous. Dutch has the same problem with r choice by the way - some people roll their r's, but equally many produce a French r. Both are correct, although I don't know what they teach foreigners - I think they probably teach the rolled r. However if you speak with a French r there is no inconvenience at all. The difference doesn't really register. Edited by tarvos on 26 October 2013 at 6:33pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 3924 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog | Message 47 of 51 26 October 2013 at 7:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
In my experience, French-speaking Canadians often refer to English-speaking Canadians as "English" and vice- versa (French-speakers are often called "French" by English-speakers). Often, "English" means anglophone and "French" means francophone. They probably weren't suggesting that they thought you were from England! 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 3924 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog | Message 48 of 51 26 October 2013 at 7:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Personally...I love my husband's oh-so-soft-it's-barely-noticeable Tagalog accent. But I have to admit that a really
strong Tagalog accent in English isn't the most beautiful-sounding thing in the world. I love West Indian accents. I also love listening to Italian-speakers speak French. Edited by Stelle on 26 October 2013 at 7:16pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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