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Writing dialogues as a way of practicing

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 Message 1 of 44
30 October 2013 at 5:39pm | IP Logged 
1) As a learner of Georgian, I suffer from the lack of opportunities to get in contact with authentic spoken language. I watch good TV series, but with no subtitles. I
have run out of textbooks before I actually mastered the spoken language.

2) I know there are several people who like to talk to themselves in the target language. I don't have this habit, and even for those who do, why not write down those
conversations and let them get corrected at sites such as italki, lang-8 and Parleremo?

3) Sometimes it can be too boring to write just something like a diary in such sites, while writing long essays on topics such as culture, technology and economics isn't
exactly what I need for my target languages.

4) Can we make this a challenge?


So, my idea is to start pushing ourselves to write short dialogues on regularly in the target languages and let them be corrected at those communities. We should bear in
mind that some speakers give deep corrections, to the extent of making sure the text does sound authentic, which is one more advantage if we plan on writing dialogues.
Now, if we make this a challenge - like 100 dialogues a year, not much, we'll assure ourselves the necessary self- and mutual motivation. It is recommended to add an
Englis version just to make sure you get your point through even in languages at which your skills aren't so good yet.

My first attempt at italki:

Going to the city hall

As you can see, it's short, not very complex, but the idea is to improve day after day. What I have in mind is to come up with actual stuff I'd actually say in mine and
in the target language. I may, for example, think of something I know I can't express properly, and try to write it down with the help of dictionaries so that it gets
corrected. At my current stage, this is one of the few ways I can improve my skills. It is not the same as just chatting - there are obvious answers and obvious
questions which I can already more or less say in Georgian. Like I said above, had I got subtitles for the series I'm watching, i'd probably work on studying and
translating them, but I think trying to write dialogues will push my active skills still a bit further.
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kujichagulia
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 Message 2 of 44
31 October 2013 at 4:34am | IP Logged 
Awesome. This is something I've done a few times on Lang-8, but not enough to consider it "regular."

I think doing this regularly would benefit me as well. Obviously being in Japan I don't suffer from lack of opportunities to speak Japanese, but having some kind of controlled practice with custom-made dialogs that apply to me personally would give me the confidence and preparation necessary to hold good conversations "in the wild."

I'm beginning to find that, for me, while dialogs in textbooks, movies and the like are great for speaking, listening, and overall conversation, words and phrases "stick" more when I am involved in creating the dialogs, or when I feel that they apply to me personally. I remember more when I write words than if I just read them somewhere. So this is a direction that I'm moving towards anyway, and a challenge would be superb.

Of course, the challenge for me would be to do it regularly. But count me in.

Edited by kujichagulia on 31 October 2013 at 4:38am

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KevinHsu
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 Message 3 of 44
31 October 2013 at 10:03am | IP Logged 
This sounds like it can be very helpful. I will definitely try it out. Thanks!
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Stelle
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 Message 4 of 44
31 October 2013 at 10:05am | IP Logged 
I'm not there yet - but this is my plan for when I learn Tagalog next spring. I told my partner a few weeks ago that
I'll be expecting him to read the dialogues with me so that I can record them and share them.

So count me in - a little bit later!
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 Message 5 of 44
31 October 2013 at 6:53pm | IP Logged 
Thanks for the support! So, how do we work it out? How is it possible to create a
challenge here, the way mentioned above? Should I ask the mods?
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01 November 2013 at 10:36am | IP Logged 
We can't say you shouldn't create a new kind of challenge, but frankly - aren't there challenges enough?
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Medulin
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 Message 7 of 44
01 November 2013 at 4:22pm | IP Logged 
If I were to write dialogs from Brazilian soap operas and send them to native speakers dealing with grammar, what I would receive from them would be something very strange no native speaker uses in the spoken language in daily life.
I did this once, a long time ago, and all those CHEGAR EM, ME DIZ!, VI ELE came back crossed and corrected to CHEGAR A, DIZE-ME, VI-O etc etc. So, better not to take this path.

There's a reason why some languages (Finnish, Czech, Brazilian Portuguese, Swiss German, Tamil, Arabic) like to keep the written and the spoken form apart.
So, writing down a dialog is something that would not look nice to many native speakers, since dialogs are never supposed to be written in the 1st place!

In the case of Tamil, you can't even write colloquial Tamil in the Tamil alphabet, you have to use the Latin script for it.

Edited by Medulin on 01 November 2013 at 4:27pm

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I'm With Stupid
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 Message 8 of 44
01 November 2013 at 6:03pm | IP Logged 
My instinct is that this would have to also involve a certain amount of memorising and performing the dialogue to be useful. Because otherwise it's a bit like you're writing to improve your speaking.


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