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| aokoye Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5352 days ago 235 posts - 453 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Dutch, Norwegian, Japanese | Message 9 of 17 12 November 2013 at 5:13pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'm sorry but I'm not really buying that reasoning nor am I coming up with any results on Google to support your claims. If it was the case that Uyghurs don't use tones when speaking Mandarin because they learn it as a second language then a number of other people, including a number of Chinese citizens, would also be speaking Mandarin without using tones. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slymie Tetraglot Groupie China Joined 5039 days ago 81 posts - 154 votes Speaks: English, Macedonian Studies: French, Mandarin, Greek Studies: Shanghainese, Uyghur, Russian | Message 10 of 17 12 November 2013 at 7:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
Comparing Uyghur to Chinese is like apples and oranges. Uyghur is not tonal and as many Uyghurs learn Chinese as a second language they struggle to grasp the concept of tones the same as we do. Saying this has anything to do with the topic is like saying apples are starting to look more like oranges because bananas are growing shorter. I have Uyghur friends that speak Chinese perfectly, hitting every tone, and the remainder speak with very poor tones. It is probably a result of Uyghurs teaching other Uyghurs and stressing the tones less and less, but this is limited only to the Uyghur community and has nothing to do with standard mandarin spoken on the other side of the country. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| aokoye Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5352 days ago 235 posts - 453 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Dutch, Norwegian, Japanese | Message 11 of 17 13 November 2013 at 1:38am | IP Logged | |||||
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No one is saying that Uyghur is tonal or frankly even in the same family as Chinese. That
said, there are plenty of people who can and to speak Mandarin as second language while also correctly using tones. So again, I'd love to see some data to back up the claim that, "Uyghurs don't speak Mandarin with the correct tones because they learn it as a second language". 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| akkadboy Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5219 days ago 264 posts - 497 votes Speaks: French*, English, Yiddish Studies: Latin, Ancient Egyptian, Welsh | Message 12 of 17 13 November 2013 at 10:55am | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm not sure I see your point...
Are you challenging the fact that learners of a language often carry some caracteristics of their L1 into their L2 speech ? Because I'm not saying anything more than that. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4433 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian | Message 13 of 17 13 November 2013 at 12:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
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As Mandarin becomes a world language, it will be interesting to see if the tonal system gets eroded due to constant mispronunciation by non-native speakers.
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| stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5643 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin | Message 14 of 17 13 November 2013 at 4:51pm | IP Logged | |||||
I can't see a situation in the short or mid term where there are going to be a sufficient number of non native speakers of Mandarin that they have that much of an impact of the language. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| lichtrausch Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5771 days ago 525 posts - 1072 votes Speaks: English*, German, Japanese Studies: Korean, Mandarin | Message 15 of 17 13 November 2013 at 7:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
There are more than enough non-native speakers to make an impact. The only problem is most of them speak a tonal language as their native language. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4479 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 16 of 17 14 November 2013 at 2:44am | IP Logged | |||||
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How do people from Shanghai speak Mandarin (native Shanghaiese born to Shanghaiese L1 speakers and not Mandarin immigrants), is there an accent?
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