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| LeadZeppelin Diglot Groupie United States Joined 4809 days ago 59 posts - 85 votes  Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish | Message 17 of 21 09 November 2013 at 1:57am | IP Logged | ||
Obviously this concept exists in other languages. But that doesn't mean it has the same nuances and specific words have exact 1 to 1 mappings. We're talking about the English word here, so to insist that your connotation is correct over a native English speaker's seems preposterous to me. If you're talking about its usage in little sub-communities like HTLAL, then your opinion has a ton of weight. If you're talking about what the word "fluency" means in everyday anglophone communities, I just can't imagine why a non-native would insist that he or she has a better handle on it than a native. Then again, maybe the TC really is looking for a HTLAL-specific definition of the word. In that case, re-hash this pointless debate as much as you want! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6385 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 18 of 21 09 November 2013 at 4:43am | IP Logged | ||
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Of course it's about HTLAL. It says BASIC fluency, not just fluency. I've never heard of basic fluency outside this forum. Seriously is anyone going to reply on topic? Would you claim to "speak" a language (HERE) with B1 speaking/B2 comprehension? Does it bother you if others do?
As for natives/non-natives, I don't think anyone is claiming they know better how native speakers use it. But fluent non-natives involved in the relevant area (second language acquisition) should be allowed to have their say in terms of prescriptiveness. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 5939 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian | Message 19 of 21 12 November 2013 at 10:04am | IP Logged | ||
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Serpent is right. I’m talking about the specific usage as it relates to this forum. When somebody labels a language as Basic Fluency it appears under the ‘speaks’ section of their posts. In the past, there was very little consistency how someone would class their own languages. This meant some people were claiming to speak a language at a much lower threshold than others. There were numerous discussions, and threads, about the definition until a consensus was reached that it equated to B2 on the CEFR scale. The CEFR scale is much tighter in its definition, and there is wealth of material available to self test. The nuance I was introducing was based on a more recent thread about people passive and active capabilities.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4495 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 20 of 21 12 November 2013 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | ||
Yes. That is why I listed Romanian as speaks. It is pretty much the bottom threshold though. Edited by tarvos on 12 November 2013 at 1:20pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6993 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 21 of 21 14 November 2013 at 5:20am | IP Logged | ||
I have always thought that you two are a perfect match. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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