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Swedish: long vowel "i" pronunciation
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Message 17 of 28

14 November 2013 at 7:39pm | IP Logged

Sarnek wrote:

Yes you are. Especially in the phonetic transcription. That's why it's called
that, otherwise I'll look at a transcription with an English/italian alphabet, which
would be pretty pointless.

I'm sorry, I meant phonemic. Still even phonetic transcription is never completely accurate, it's not possible.
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Sarnek
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14 November 2013 at 8:18pm | IP Logged

LaughingChimp wrote:

Sarnek wrote:

Yes you are. Especially in the phonetic transcription. That's why it's called
that, otherwise I'll look at a transcription with an English/italian alphabet, which
would be pretty pointless.

I'm sorry, I meant phonemic. Still even phonetic transcription is never completely
accurate, it's not possible.

It's not possible, but you can't say that an apple and an orange are the same thing... if
you get my point.
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15 November 2013 at 5:14am | IP Logged

Sarnek wrote:

It's just that Swedish lacks an accurate and precise phonology transcription.

You could pronounce Swedish as if it were Norwegian,
it would be an accent, but a very slight one (and much better than any other non-Swedish accent).

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Message 20 of 28

17 November 2013 at 2:15pm | IP Logged

Is the point of this thread try to explain the Viby I?
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viby-i

-För att illustrera i-ljudet finns ett populärt talesätt i västra Närke, som av diplomaten Jan Mårtenson återges "I Viiby säjer dii att biina biiss, men det gör dii fälle viisst iinte, för dii stiicks".-

You can perfectly use a monothongal [i:] in Swedish, just like you can use the monothongal [i:] in English (as in conservative RP), although most Swedish accents have a diphthong, and Estuary English ''see'' is made of
75% [si:] and 25 % [sei] (say). Estuary U in ''rude, cool'' is 75% standard Swedish u and 25% Scanian å (spelling kewl can illustrate the diphthongness of ''cool'' in many English accents, and some American ones like the Californian).

Edited by Medulin on 17 November 2013 at 2:37pm
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17 November 2013 at 2:56pm | IP Logged

All right but it's still uttered not-quite-as-an-i.
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Message 22 of 28

18 November 2013 at 4:25pm | IP Logged

Swedish has 20 or more accents (like Italian) and we cannot generalize.
How many Italian people speak with a neutral accent (heard in dubbed programs)?
Zero, only those with ''corso di dizione'' speak with pronunciation as indicated in dictionaries,
most Italians speak with a regional accent. The same happens with Swedish and Norwegian (Norwegian does not even have standard pronunciation).

Edited by Medulin on 18 November 2013 at 4:25pm
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Message 23 of 28

18 November 2013 at 4:46pm | IP Logged

Medulin wrote:

Swedish has 20 or more accents (like Italian) and we cannot generalize.
How many Italian people speak with a neutral accent (heard in dubbed programs)?
Zero, only those with ''corso di dizione'' speak with pronunciation as indicated in
dictionaries,
most Italians speak with a regional accent. The same happens with Swedish and Norwegian
(Norwegian does not even have standard pronunciation).

Your point being? Italian has many accents, it's true, but when a foreigner learns
italian he learn the "standard" variant.
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Message 24 of 28

18 November 2013 at 6:47pm | IP Logged

As long as the learner has access to native material with a "standard pronunciation", as well as chooses to/has the ability to imitate it, yes. This isn't always the case.

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