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Lugubert
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Sweden
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Speaks: Swedish*, Danish, Norwegian, EnglishC2, German, Dutch, French
Studies: Mandarin, Hindi

 
 Message 17 of 47
17 December 2013 at 11:28pm | IP Logged 
I don't feel comfortable with the CEFR levels. How many first-language speakers reach C2 levels on all parameters for another language? For French, I'm all over the scale. On a good day, I'm at listening a low A2. But you'd have to work hard to find a text that will challenge my claim to written C2 understanding. Customers sure go for my translations.

For written C2 vs. natives, an anecdote. I was on a translating job, Swedish to English: three native speakers and myself, all experienced professional translators. Very specialized subject and several other constraints in selecting the crew. We were supposed to review each other's work. One of the guys wasn't quite comfortable with me, the alien, commenting on his English. After a few sessions of different combinations among us, everybody accepted me as an equal partner.

As discussed earlier, I sure make mistakes now and then on colloquialisms and current events, but generally, I think people on the Internet won't spot my unenglishness other than by my not making too many grammar or spelling errors.
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geoffw
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 Message 18 of 47
17 December 2013 at 11:32pm | IP Logged 
Lugubert wrote:
but generally, I think people on the Internet won't spot my
unenglishness other than by my not making too many grammar or spelling errors.


And we'll spot your unamericanness by your lack of lack of subtlety in your humor.
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tastyonions
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Speaks: English*, French, Spanish
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 Message 19 of 47
17 December 2013 at 11:33pm | IP Logged 
Lugubert wrote:
I don't feel comfortable with the CEFR levels. How many first-language speakers reach C2 levels on all parameters for another language? For French, I'm all over the scale. On a good day, I'm at listening a low A2. But you'd have to work hard to find a text that will challenge my claim to written C2 understanding. Customers sure go for my translations.

That's pretty interesting! I imagine you could develop much better listening skills rather rapidly if your vocabulary is already so good. Do you just not have the motivation to do so?
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tastyonions
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 Message 20 of 47
17 December 2013 at 11:36pm | IP Logged 
geoffw wrote:
Lugubert wrote:
but generally, I think people on the Internet won't spot my unenglishness other than by my not making too many grammar or spelling errors.

And we'll spot your unamericanness by your lack of lack of subtlety in your humor.

I thought the British were supposed to be the ones with the subtle humor. We're just the savages cracking up at fart jokes, right? :-)
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