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Tollpatchig
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 Message 1 of 16
07 December 2013 at 3:54pm | IP Logged 
Is it really necessary to roll
your Rs in Finnish? I've never
been able to roll my Rs so it
makes languages like Spanish
almost impossible to learn
correctly since the trilled R can
change the meaning. However I
havent seen a case that is true
for Finnish. Perjantai means
Friday whether you roll the R or
not. I wonder if my inability to
trill affects my Finnish speaking
signifigintly.
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betelgeuzah
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 Message 2 of 16
07 December 2013 at 4:14pm | IP Logged 
You'll just sound like you have a disability to roll your R's. Many Finns suffer from this disability. I had some trouble with it back when I was around 7 years old but the problem took care of itself over time. Anyway, it's one of the final speaking related skills we learn as children.

It shouldn't affect our understanding of your speech but it is noticeable and unnatural. Also if you have any other shortcomings then the R issue will make it even harder to understand you.

Edited by betelgeuzah on 07 December 2013 at 4:16pm

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Tollpatchig
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 Message 3 of 16
07 December 2013 at 4:26pm | IP Logged 
betelgeuzah wrote:
You'll just
sound like you have a disability
to roll your R's. Many Finns
suffer from this disability. I
had some trouble with it back
when I was around 7 years old but
the problem took care of itself
over time. Anyway, it's one of
the final speaking related skills
we learn as children.

It shouldn't affect our
understanding of your speech but
it is noticeable and unnatural.
Also if you have any other
shortcomings then the R issue
will make it even harder to
understand you.


I have normal beginner
shortcomings namely trouble with
diphthongs (especially involving
y) and elongating double vowels.
I never know if I'm holding it
long enough. I know that just by
not being a native speaker I'll
prolly sound unnatural and thats
not so bad as long as I'm
understood.
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betelgeuzah
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 Message 4 of 16
07 December 2013 at 5:10pm | IP Logged 
Yeah it's better to focus on those. Finnish only has one R and as long as it doesn't sound like an L you'll be alright.
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Tollpatchig
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 Message 5 of 16
08 December 2013 at 2:37am | IP Logged 
Another thing I was curious about
is how my name would decline in
Finnish. My real name is Courtney
which violates the rule of not
having back and front vowels in
the same word.
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 Message 6 of 16
08 December 2013 at 10:31am | IP Logged 
No it doesn't. e and i are neutral if they occur together with other vowels (the y in
your name isn't pronounced like the Finnish y - and the whole vowel harmony stuff is due
to pronunciation).
So back vowels it is.

But the question is interesting nontheless. What happens if a name really has both front
and back vowels in it? I guess you would count it as a compound noun and use the last
part for declination. But that's just a guess...

Edited by daegga on 08 December 2013 at 10:32am

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 Message 7 of 16
08 December 2013 at 11:52am | IP Logged 
Foreign and proper nouns can violate the vowel harmony. But there is a tendency to normalize them. Many Finns say "Olimpia" instead of the correct "Olympia", if they relax the pronunciation.
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Tollpatchig
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 Message 8 of 16
08 December 2013 at 1:36pm | IP Logged 
daegga wrote:
No it doesn't. e and i are neutral if they occur together with other vowels (the y in
your name isn't pronounced like the Finnish y - and the whole vowel harmony stuff is due
to pronunciation).
So back vowels it is.

But the question is interesting nontheless. What happens if a name really has both front
and back vowels in it? I guess you would count it as a compound noun and use the last
part for declination. But that's just a guess...


I wonder if there are even first names with umlauts in them. Now that I think about it I used to go to school
witha girl named Yurixi, the Y is actually pronounced similar to Finnish Y. I think the declinations of our
names with possesive -n would be:

Courtnin
Yurixin

I haven't gotten to the cases and their heavy grammatical concepts so I'm likely to be wrong.


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