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| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4303 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes  Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 33 of 176 18 January 2014 at 7:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
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No need to trill the "r" in German if you use the uvular r, it might even sound strange
trilling it. In fact, it is often pronounced velar (like a voiced ach-sound) and there is no way to trill the velum ;) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sarnek Diglot Senior Member Italy Joined 3997 days ago 308 posts - 414 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: German, Swedish | Message 34 of 176 18 January 2014 at 9:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
How can you not trill the uvular r exactly? About the velar r, that's a good solution but I wonder if it does not sounds strange and too strong in words that have "er" or "ir" like "irdisches Vergnügen"? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4303 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 35 of 176 18 January 2014 at 11:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
Trying to trill it and failing it for example ... actually, a lot of native speakers aren't able to trill it, at least not fully. There are 3 ways of pronouncing the uvular r: fully fricative (like getting up some slime from you throat, but voiced), fully trilled and something in between (trill+friction). In your examples, I would vocalize the r (the a-schwa sound), but this is non-standard at least for "irdisches" ("ver-" can be vocalized as a prefix, I guess it is debatable if it is such in "Vergnügen"). But as long as you don't mind having a not fully standard pronunciation (most native speakers don't either) you can actually vocalize it all the time except in the onset. But if you aim for a fully standard pronunciation: It's actually hard to tell the voiced velar and voiced uvular fricative apart (like next to impossible if you aren't a trained phonetician), so I think one should be fine using the velar one, just stay as far back as you manage and don't forget the voicing. Edited by daegga on 18 January 2014 at 11:32pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sarnek Diglot Senior Member Italy Joined 3997 days ago 308 posts - 414 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: German, Swedish | Message 36 of 176 19 January 2014 at 11:27am | IP Logged | |||||
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Right. Danke schön.
I always aim for perfection when it comes to pronunciation, because I know it's almost impossible to have a flawless one, so I try to minimise the imperfections that way. I'll try to excercise with the fricative r and record a few words. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sarnek Diglot Senior Member Italy Joined 3997 days ago 308 posts - 414 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: German, Swedish | Message 37 of 176 26 January 2014 at 9:43am | IP Logged | |||||
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Man måste lära sig krypa innan man kan gå.
Swedish: Quite an interesting week this was. Got on Assimil's 67th lection, and I'm strangely excited to say that they're getting harder and harder. It's taking up to 50 minutes a lesson now, excluding the active wave. I then reviewed some grammar basics on my other book like plural forms, past conjugations and imperatives. As far as listening is concerned, I'm progressively increasing my weekly doses, but at the moment I'm only watching films with subtitles if I'm able to find them. Podcasts will be added when I'll have more time. I bought the Jönssonligan DVDs (the whole series) and I'll try to watch these without subtitles. This you may find useful (if you're into watching films online). Reading: I'm trying to read everything I can get my hands on, from textbooks conversations to newspapers and books. I bought Fröken Julie (August Strindberg) a few days ago. I'd already read it in Italian and absolutely loved it, although my favourite Swedish book so far is Doktor Glas (Hjalmar Söderberg). I hadn't bought the latter because I reckon it would have been harder to read through, even though it uses a more modern language than Fröken Julie does. I also held a brief conversation with a Danish friend of mine, it's close to impossible to understand him but hey, it's a lot of fun :D German: Small steps every day but I'll get there, eventually. I'm on Assimil's 12th lection and it's easy at the moment (obviously, duh), but I'm trying to recover as much as I can of my previous knowledge of German. I've started to watch "extra auf Deutsch" (available on YouTube) from the beginning again. Since I study literature too, there's a wide range of books in the library awaiting just to be reached for and grabbed, but currently I'm studying the "Aufklärung", "Sturm und Drang", "Weimerer Klassik" and "Romantik" movements, so the language used in those books is a bit too tough at the moment. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Kez Diglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4139 days ago 181 posts - 212 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English Studies: Swedish | Message 38 of 176 28 January 2014 at 10:38am | IP Logged | |||||
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Hej Sarnek,
I just found this website on Mareike's log: http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=4457&g rupp=19183 It's great to improve your listening skills. They talk rather slow and clear. I would also advise you to read En ö i havet. It's a great book about 2 jewish girls in Sweden during the 2nd world war. They also made a (~8 episode) serie of it so you could first read a chapter and then watch the episode of the chapter you read. It worked great for me. Hoppas allt går bra för dig med din svenska studier! Hej då! 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sarnek Diglot Senior Member Italy Joined 3997 days ago 308 posts - 414 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: German, Swedish | Message 39 of 176 28 January 2014 at 12:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hej Kez. Tack so mycket.
The link's broken though, there's a space between g and rupp at the end of it (fyi). I'll certainly be looking into that book! Tack igen! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sarnek Diglot Senior Member Italy Joined 3997 days ago 308 posts - 414 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: German, Swedish | Message 40 of 176 01 February 2014 at 2:56pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Swedish: I've only worked with Assimil this week, and not every day as usual, but
I've still managed to listen to previous days lessons. Oh and I've read a couple of newspapers to catch words I could recognise (the ones I can't recognise are many, too many, at the moment). German: As with Swedish. I did record a lesson though, to keep track of my progress with pronunciation. Here's the link (P.S.: that sounded much better in my head) Edited by Sarnek on 01 February 2014 at 3:00pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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