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| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4078 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 9 of 29 20 December 2013 at 10:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think that this may be attributed due to the first language of the learner--Swedish,
and English, and other languages that combine syllables and drop consonants, sometimes severely in colloquial speech, can be troublesome. Something like, "Y'gon cmovere?" instead of the correct, enunciated, "Are you going to come over here?" would most likely be unintelligble for a learner of English unless they have massive exposure and are familiar with the colloquiallisms. But since the first language of the poster is Italian, which, as I seem whilst learning it now, is very phonetic--everything is properly enunciated, even in fast speech, consonants are pronounced clearly, and pronounced like it is written, like standard Spanish, to accustom oneself to non-phoneticisms is troublesome. So perhaps it is a problem of switching from a very phonetic language (Italian) to a language that is not as phonetic as the former (Swedish). Edited by 1e4e6 on 20 December 2013 at 10:54pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4495 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 10 of 29 20 December 2013 at 11:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
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All languages are phonetic. They have phonemes, you know.
What you mean is that the orthography does not always have a 1-to-1 correspondence with the pronunciation. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6385 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 11 of 29 20 December 2013 at 11:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
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If it's hard for you now, putting it off will only make it harder. Edited by Serpent on 20 December 2013 at 11:02pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4078 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 12 of 29 20 December 2013 at 11:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I guess that what I meant was something like "Buona sera" in Italian one can say it like
how it looks, and "deg" in Swedish, an Italian speaker might be tempted to pronounce every letter, including the <g>. Edited by 1e4e6 on 20 December 2013 at 11:16pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6385 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 13 of 29 20 December 2013 at 11:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
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You meant a phonetic spelling :)
I'm not sure how much it has to do with your native language having it. I mean English native speakers pronounce the h in hola all the time. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4078 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 14 of 29 20 December 2013 at 11:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I guess that what I mean is that the speaker might accidentally, subconsciously utilise
the alphabet of their own language into the other language to pronounce and listen to speech. "H" in "hola" for English speakers happens in the beginning stages, because "h" is in English and they try to use the English "h" for other languages, with the result that "hola" with the English alphabet sounding quite gross. Likewise, pronouncing "g" in <deg> in Swedish would probably sound very strange, in any dialect. I think that FSI Swedish had a good explanation of the alphabet and pronunciation, viz. diphthongs, vowels, etc. that lasted for quite few pages. Perhaps the poster could try that course. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4495 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 15 of 29 20 December 2013 at 11:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
That's because it's a) spelled "dig" (not deg) and b) because the spelling is phonetic and has a 1-to-1 correspondence to its orthography. This isn't so in Swedish but it's not that bad. I find Swedes reduce vowels way less than I do. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 3887 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 16 of 29 20 December 2013 at 11:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
The G in "deg" is always pronounced. Probably in all dialects. Do you maybe mean "dig"? It's not a matter of not pronouncing the G, though, it's a matter of using fossilised spelling. "Mig", "dig", and "sig" are usually pronounced, and today often written, "mej", "dej" and "sej". Similarly, "de" and "dem" have a new accepted (and horrible, in my opinion, as someone who doesn't pronounce those words identically) spelling "dom". 1 person has voted this message useful |
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