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stifa
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 Message 97 of 151
27 February 2014 at 12:06am | IP Logged 
Luso wrote:
Just one example (in German):
Direkte Rede: Hans sagt: "Ich bin krank".
Indirekte Rede mit "dass": Hans sagte, dass er krank ist.
Indirekte Rede mit Konjunktiv I: Hans sagte, er krank sei.


Wouldn't "Hans sagte, er sei krank" be more correct?
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Luso
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 Message 98 of 151
27 February 2014 at 12:13am | IP Logged 
stifa wrote:
Luso wrote:
Just one example (in German):
Direkte Rede: Hans sagt: "Ich bin krank".
Indirekte Rede mit "dass": Hans sagte, dass er krank ist.
Indirekte Rede mit Konjunktiv I: Hans sagte, er krank sei.


Wouldn't "Hans sagte, er sei krank" be more correct?

Yes, I'm sorry. I've corrected the original post.

In fact, it could be one of the following:
1. Hans sagte, dass er krank sei.
2. Hans sagte, er sei krank.

Edited by Luso on 27 February 2014 at 12:14am

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 Message 99 of 151
27 February 2014 at 4:17pm | IP Logged 
There are two groups of German nouns that I've had a hard time telling apart.

The first group consists of the so-called "weak" nouns (auf Deutsch: -n Deklination), such as "Kollege” (colleague) and “Prinz” (prince), which add -n or -en in the accusative, dative and genitive singular, as well as in all cases in plural.

The second group is made up of nouns that decline exactly as if they were adjectives, such as "Angestellte" (employee) and "Beamte" (official).

One source of confusion stems from the fact that, when used with the definite article, a "weak" noun and a noun declined as an adjective have the same endings, as shown below, using “Kollege” as the “weak” noun example and “Beamte” as the adjektival noun example:

                Singular      Plural
Nom     der Kollege        die Kollegen
Acc      den Kollegen      die Kollegen
Dat       dem Kollegen     den Kollegen
Gen      des Kollegen       der Kollegen

Nom     der Beamte        die Beamten
Acc      den Beamten       die Beamten
Dat       dem Beamten      den Beamten
Gen      des Beamten        der Beamten


The difference in declension shows up with the indefinite article in nominative singular; Beamte gets -r, Kollege doesn't:

                   Singular                 Plural
Nom       ein Kollege        keine Kollegen
Acc        einen Kollegen      keine Kollegen
Dat        einem Kollegen     keinen Kollegen
Gen        eines Kollegen       keiner Kollegen

Nom       ein Beamter        keine Beamten
Acc        einen Beamen        keine Beamten
Dat        einem Beamten      keinen Beamten
Gen        eines Beamten        keiner Beamten


With no article, the declension of Beamte deviates from that of Kollege also in nominative, accusative and genitive plural:

                  Plural
Nom        Kollegen
Acc        Kollegen
Dat        Kollegen
Gen        Kollegen

Nom        Beamte
Acc        Beamte
Dat        Beamten
Gen        Beamter

With only one exception (das Herz) (heart), all “weak” nouns are masculine. A few “weak” nouns form the genitive singular with –s instead of –(e)n:
der Name – des Namens (name)
der Gedanke – des Gedankens (thought)
der Buchstabe – des Buchstabens (letter of the alphabet)
das Herz – des Herzens (das Herz is also an exception because it doesn’t add –en in accusative singular)

Sorry for the jumbled up tables-I haven't figured out how to get things lined up properly.


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 Message 100 of 151
27 February 2014 at 5:20pm | IP Logged 
Oh wow, I never consciously thought of it like this. Thank you!
Your formatting is okay imo, but if it bothers you, you can use ____ or .... instead of spaces. Also single-letter abbreviations for the cases.

Edited by Serpent on 27 February 2014 at 5:20pm

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AlOlaf
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 Message 101 of 151
28 February 2014 at 6:55am | IP Logged 
I'm glad you got something out of it. Thanks for the tip with the___and...., I'll be sure to try that out the next time I want to display tables.
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 Message 102 of 151
28 February 2014 at 2:08pm | IP Logged 
Deine Deklinationstabellen erstaunen mich, AlOlaf! Sie sind grammtisch richtig, aber wir in Deutschland schreiben immer:

- Nominativ
- Genitv
- Dativ
- Akkusativ

Ich habe die Reihenfolge der Fälle noch nie anders gesehen!

Fasulye
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AlOlaf
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 Message 103 of 151
28 February 2014 at 7:03pm | IP Logged 
Bei uns ist es anders. Ein Beispiel

Edited by AlOlaf on 28 February 2014 at 10:56pm

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 Message 104 of 151
28 February 2014 at 9:42pm | IP Logged 
February Challenge

danyal: Separable Verbs (Trennbare Verben)
Luso: Konjunktiv I
AlOlaf: Declination of "weak" nouns (e.g. "Kollege") vs declination of nouns which decline like adjectives (e.g. "Angestellte")
BAnna: Relativsätze (Relative clauses)
sabotai: Prepositions and pronouns

I am going to be away for most of the first week of March, so I have started compiling a list of people who successfully completed the February Challenge. As I was late posting the challenge in the first place, I will accept any entries posted up to and including the 7th March, and will amend the list accordingly. As always, if there are any errors or omissions in the above, please let me know.

Edited by g-bod on 01 March 2014 at 7:23pm



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