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| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5013 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 49 of 63 30 December 2013 at 4:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
That being "white" is not about colours, but about being of Anglo-Saxon descent. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4452 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 50 of 63 30 December 2013 at 5:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't know if it's really that narrow, you'd have to go poking into some pretty darn regressive corners of American culture to find people who wouldn't consider Italians, Greeks, or Romanians "white." :-) Edited by tastyonions on 30 December 2013 at 5:00pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| James29 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5162 days ago 1265 posts - 2113 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French | Message 51 of 63 30 December 2013 at 8:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I know some people from Quebec (French descent) who get offended when people do not realize they too are part of "Latin America."
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| gRodriguez Triglot Groupie BrazilRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 3815 days ago 44 posts - 56 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishC2, Galician Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 52 of 63 30 December 2013 at 10:29pm | IP Logged | |||||
You are telling me that French,German, etc descendents aren't being taken into account on white? Really doubt that, and the article clearly says its about race not ethnicity or cultural background. Edited by gRodriguez on 30 December 2013 at 10:45pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5013 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 53 of 63 30 December 2013 at 11:13pm | IP Logged | |||||
I don't know either, but...
Yet it lists 'Latino' as 'race', which hints at how somebody is not even clear on a number of concepts as you pointed out yourself. ... I have a friend in LA whose mother is Mexican and he looks as white as me, or more -- yet he says he's considered non-white so, taking that at face value, I wouldn't be surprised if were "corrected" chose I to list my ethnicity as "white" somewhere in the US. Not that I care particularly, ruminating about it from abroad as I am. If you ask me, the mere concept of "race" is rather regressive, because with the exception of people with really pure unmixed lineages who want their descendants to remain like that, any set of genes that could be used to define any one race is increasingly more unlikely to be present in its entirety in anybody, as racism and isolation fade away and people become more mixed. In short, whatever debatable sense it makes/made is doomed in the long run. Right after the conquest of America, Spanish authorities had names for all the possible mixes of races (for example, half black, half Indian people were called "zambos", and there were terms for quarters, or even eighths of mixes I think -- a very interesting and linguistically rich field in itself). In the end, even them eventually gave up because there were too many possibilities and beyond a certain point no one really cared -- I guess you can't keep making up words forever :) Edited by mrwarper on 30 December 2013 at 11:14pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| gRodriguez Triglot Groupie BrazilRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 3815 days ago 44 posts - 56 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishC2, Galician Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 54 of 63 31 December 2013 at 12:25am | IP Logged | |||||
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Your friend not being considered white because one of his first languages being
Spanish is just ridiculous. Why to be considered white you need so much? To be black you merely have to have a skin that is little dark and a parent that looks black enough, to be Asian you can be of any skin color you just need to have those eyes, to be brown it doesn't matter where you descend from or your appearance you only need to be brown skinned and not be native american (and if you don't mention it you'll probably be called that anyway). I also agree the race shouldn't be used, but since there a lack of a better word to describe general appearance, I wind up using it. Why would the language you speak have anything to do with "race"? Even South Park a show that I like very much (even though I see a lot of flawed logic on it), which is generally smart in my opinion, has an episode where numerous times they imply that even if you look white you are not white if you speak Spanish. Example: Cartman merely changes his name and his accent and suddenly does things that imply he is fooling people to think he is not white; Cartman speaks with very light skinned Hispanic girl about how if she acted like a white girl she would be like them. Edited by gRodriguez on 31 December 2013 at 12:30am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4676 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 55 of 63 31 December 2013 at 12:58am | IP Logged | |||||
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"Race" is a social construct that varies by country and by time. For the US, "Latino"
is not considered a race.
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| gRodriguez Triglot Groupie BrazilRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 3815 days ago 44 posts - 56 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishC2, Galician Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 56 of 63 31 December 2013 at 1:07am | IP Logged | |||||
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Isn't there an official anthropologic categorization: Caucasoid, Australoid, Negroid, etc?
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