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| Richard Burton Newbie Spain Joined 4110 days ago 34 posts - 64 votes  Speaks: Ancient Greek* | Message 9 of 26 27 December 2013 at 8:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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:) who told you that??? but you are free to believe it; as I said, you are free to believe one front of sources, or the other. I only can claim around 6000 studies (in English, I suspect there must be a bit more in Russian and Japanese), not financed by the industries, some "martyrs", or at least, fired, professors left on the way.
I say that the only true third option is your own perception, experience and observation. Some people value this, others dont. Actually, if you have been a heavy user for 15 or 20 years now, and you dont feel anything, you are energetic and mentally alert, ready to learn Aramaic in two months, I recommend you to just keep as you are. No irony! And my admiration. Either you are not bioelectrical beings, or have a tremendously strong constitution. I honestly admire all people who are not affected. Edited by Richard Burton on 27 December 2013 at 9:03pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5338 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 10 of 26 28 December 2013 at 4:56pm | IP Logged | ||
Agreed, it is nice to be reminded occassionaly of the risks that life entails, but I don't think this is really a suitable topic, as there is no way anyone can debate it sensibly. [edit] coming soon: the impact of climate warming on language learning. Edited by schoenewaelder on 28 December 2013 at 6:26pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Leurre Bilingual Pentaglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5203 days ago 219 posts - 372 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Korean, Haitian Creole, SpanishC2 Studies: Japanese | Message 11 of 26 28 December 2013 at 5:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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While I'm not unmoved by the possibilities evoked by the thread creator, the 'well the
studies you cite are just part of the system man' argument is not an honest one, and saying that you are not here to debate, but to further inform only those who already adopt your theses ("It is too late."), then I don't see the point. Let's have a debate, not a show of self-pity and righteousness of the 'I write for the survivors' calibre. Debate would help, given the apparently controversial nature of the subject. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Improbably Diglot Newbie Norway Joined 4714 days ago 34 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English | Message 12 of 26 28 December 2013 at 5:37pm | IP Logged | ||
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One word: nocebo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo Though I suspect the sufferers will deny any suggestions of fallability of their human minds, and will remain staunchly convinced, continuing to cite thousands of studies that may or may not be flawed (or be about the subject whatsover), and that they most certainly haven't read. I like this quote by theoretical physicist, and receiver of the Nobel Prize in Physics, Richard Feynman: "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4443 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 13 of 26 28 December 2013 at 6:44pm | IP Logged | ||
Assuming you can risk being within the reach of a 50Hz (or 60Hz) EM field for long enough to power up some electronics, could you post a small sample of references to these studies? Given the speed of the forum, I expect that asking you to post more than (say) ten references would be asking you to expose yourself to unbearably high levels of dangerous radiation. Although your sacrifice would undoubtedly help others ... 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| aokoye Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5319 days ago 235 posts - 453 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Dutch, Norwegian, Japanese | Message 14 of 26 28 December 2013 at 6:56pm | IP Logged | ||
I'm going to call BS on the article you copy and pasted. First, the uproar about the idea that the small amounts of radiation that people are exposed to from cellphones and celltowers being harmful to people's health has long been debunked many times. Second, transcranial magnetic stimulation is generally used to treat treatment-resistant major depressive disorder. The few long term studies that have come out have been positive but either way it has nothing to do with the author's claims. Third the author is a psychiatrist not a neurologist. Psychiatrists generally do not work a whole lot with memory outside of psychiatric disorders (if she was talking about memory patterns of people who had dissosiative disorders I'd give her more credence) and when they do it is generally in conjunction with neurologists. Additionally, she is going off of " personal observations made in [her] practice". If she had done a well conducted study then that'd be one thing, but she is going purely off of her own anecdotal evidence. Whether or not this was in a medical journal, I see no reason why one should give it much if any weight. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5098 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 15 of 26 28 December 2013 at 7:58pm | IP Logged | ||
Actually, the “Umwelt‐Medizin‐Gesellschaft” journal that published the article that Richard Burton mentioned, is not an independent peer-reviewed medical journal, but a journal published by privately owned German publisher and service provider UMG, which has been specializing in papers about the dangers of environmental pollution since the late 80s. That doesn't automatically invalidate the article, but might suggest that they probably cherry-pick the articles that they publish. Even though some studies suggest that there's a correlation between cell phone exposure and the risk of developing certain types of cancers, the majority of studies is still inconclusive. For more information on this, see this very detailed National Cancer Institute article. @Richard Burton: Unless you wear your cell phone in a headband with direct skin contact 24/7, it's not very likely to negatively affect your brain and your memory. You may also want to read up on the Nocebo effect. There's also an interesting Freakonomics podcast about the "Carpal Tunnel Epidemic" in the 1980s, which explains where all those white-collar carpal tunnel syndrome victims went. 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4446 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 16 of 26 29 December 2013 at 4:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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Like I said, if you're excessively exposed to cellphone/WiFi radiation, you should take melatonin.
This microwave radiation causes neurological deficits and even cancers by inhibition of production of endogenous melatonin. Melatonin is one of the most important antioxidants and anticancer molecules in our body (it's so powerful it is used as an adjuvant in chemotherapy and in therapy of radiation exposure). You should turn your WiFi off in your bedroom, and leave your cellphone in another room (living room for instance), it's a bad thing for your health to have it by your bed/head all night long. Some references: ''The effect of electromagnetic radiation on the rat brain: an experimental study. CONCLUSION: EMR causes to structural changes in the frontal cortex, brain stem and cerebellum and impair the oxidative stress and inflammatory cytokine system. This deterioration can cause to disease including loss of these areas function and cancer development.'' http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24310452 - ''Cell phone radiation exposure on brain and associated biological systems The present study summarizes the public issue based on mobile phone radiation exposure and their biological effects. This review concludes that the regular and long term use of microwave devices (mobile phone, microwave oven) at domestic level can have negative impact upon biological system especially on brain. It also suggests that increased reactive oxygen species (ROS) play an important role by enhancing the effect of microwave radiations which may cause neurodegenerative diseases.'' http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23678539 - ''Pathophysiology of microwave radiation: effect on rat brain. The study concludes that a reduction in melatonin or an increase in caspase-3, creatine kinase, and calcium ion may cause significant damage in brain due to chronic exposure of these radiations. These biomarkers clearly indicate possible health implications of such exposures.'' http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22134878 - ''The effect of melatonin on body mass and behaviour of rats during an exposure to microwave radiation from mobile phone. Microwave radiation causes body mass decrease and anxiety related behaviour in rats, however melatonin causes a reverse of those effects on both body weight and behaviour of irradiated animals (Fig. 2, Ref. 32).'' http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22616582 Edited by Medulin on 29 December 2013 at 4:47pm 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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