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Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6610 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 33 of 432 18 January 2014 at 8:46pm | IP Logged |
patrickwilken wrote:
I can now pretty much pickup any novel in a bookstore and read it extensively for enjoyment. I didn't have that at 5000 pages. As EMK pointed out in another thread, 5000 pages is about +1 million words, so that extra 5000 really makes a significant difference. |
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I can definitely do that in Italian, Portuguese, Polish and even Belarusian. In fact I don't think I had read those precious 10000 pages in Finnish before passing my C1 exam, though I had read about 12 x 500 pages and some smaller books that I can't be bothered to count.
edit: basically, the intensity and consistency matter more than the specific volume. I could've completed my audio challenges much earlier, but I deliberately avoided that. While there's a point where it's better to do a lot in one go than "do something every day", that's definitely not 100-150 hours. And I think this also applies to the original suggestion that "you can do the films within the first year and then focus on the reading part".
Edited by Serpent on 18 January 2014 at 9:34pm
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6610 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 34 of 432 18 January 2014 at 9:09pm | IP Logged |
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I'm sorry, but there is nothing "super" (in the sense of this challenge) about aiming to read 1000 pages in one of your lesser-priority target languages. |
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Kerrie wrote:
Serpent wrote:
I agree, reading 1000 pages in one language is not impressive on its own. But reading 2000 pages in each of your 5 languages is at least as impressive as reading 10000 in one. Not to mention that I'm definitely aiming for 4000-5000 (whatever is decided) in a few languages, maybe 7500 if it "counts". |
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See, I'm not aiming for impressive. I'm aiming for progress, But to each his/her own.
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Okay, replace impressive with "super" if it makes a difference to you
Edited by Serpent on 18 January 2014 at 9:22pm
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| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4902 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish
| Message 35 of 432 18 January 2014 at 9:24pm | IP Logged |
I really like the symmetry of 100 / 100.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6610 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 36 of 432 18 January 2014 at 9:35pm | IP Logged |
Me too, so if we have 90-min "films", we can also totally have 50-page "books". I like this idea.
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| Emily96 Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4441 days ago 270 posts - 342 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Finnish, Latin
| Message 37 of 432 18 January 2014 at 9:38pm | IP Logged |
I think you've got most sides of this debate covered, but just to throw my two cents in: I'd definitely like to have the
option to aim for smaller goals. Although I'm not planning to tackle as many languages as serpent, I would like to
focus largely on Spanish with a little French (and maybe Latin or Finnish?) on the side, mostly for maintenance
purposes. I guess that wasn't really the original intent of the challenge, but like serpent, i find it just as impressive to
read 10000 pages in 5 languages as in 1, and i want all my time spent on languages to count!
Besides that, i'll leave the math to others. Numbers like the 20/200 or 30/300 are nice, or we could adjust
definitions and keep it 100/100, or say 10000 pages/100 movies, but i don't know if any of that is well-balanced so
someone else can decide =) And yeah, even if people don't really care about the number of books because they're
actually just counting pages, round numbers are more fun to say and make it easier to explain the challenge to
others.
Oh and also i agree with whoever said that it's not about it just being 10 pages a day or whatever, it's the keeping
that going for two years that makes it challenging, plus it's not actually that linear. Very true!
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6610 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 38 of 432 18 January 2014 at 10:05pm | IP Logged |
10000 pages/100 movies was actually the classic super challenge. Quite few completed it though and most of them with some extra opportunities that others don't have, like living in the L2 country (or simply living in the US and learning Spanish) or like emk whose wife speaks French to him and the kids. Heck, I myself was lucky that I got to visit Poland twice and Malta once. Don't get me wrong, I know that tons of people choose to remain monolingual despite similar opportunities... but it was objectively easier than it will be for Emily96 with Finnish or Latin. (Also note how the only full challenges completed were in French, German, Spanish, and the classic 50/50 half challenge only adds Italian, Dutch and my Polish* to that. The rest of the languages are films/audio only.)
And yeeeees about wanting all your studying to count. That's why writing and conversations were included - I really don't think that writing 1 page is equivalent to reading 100 (or 50), but if other people want to make it count, why not =)
It was also me who said it about the average pages per day thing :D I think we all had days when we didn't read even one page.
*my Polish half challenge is also the only one that anyone completed in a Slavic language. Somehow even Japanese and Chinese have a higher rate. I'll be really happy if next time Cristina wins with Russian though ♥
Edited by Serpent on 18 January 2014 at 10:23pm
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| maydayayday Pentaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5232 days ago 564 posts - 839 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, SpanishB2, FrenchB2 Studies: Arabic (Egyptian), Russian, Swedish, Turkish, Polish, Persian, Vietnamese Studies: Urdu
| Message 39 of 432 19 January 2014 at 1:20am | IP Logged |
Serpent wrote:
*my Polish half challenge is also the only one that anyone completed in a Slavic language. Somehow even Japanese and Chinese have a higher rate. I'll be really happy if next time Cristina wins with Russian though ♥ |
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I'm in for Russian.
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5347 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian
| Message 40 of 432 19 January 2014 at 2:21am | IP Logged |
Serpent wrote:
I'll be really happy if next time Cristina wins with Russian though ♥ |
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Not half as happy as I would be :-)
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